and i fill out the senate report that talks about the petitioner's -- the torture that the petitioner was subject to, but in an earlier date. what you need to continue on with this investigation is essentially some evidence that that treatment was continued at a later date. the date in which you say he was in poland. and that is not in the public record. am i right? >> you are basically right. what i would point to in the guantanamo proceedings before the military commissions, when he testified he said, and this was a and read, but he said that he was treated very shabbily when he was held in poland. there was no lawyer there to represent his interest at the time. there was no one to follow-up on that question or with an interest to follow-up on the question on behalf of him. but having read mitchell's book, i can tell you that's a language that he tends to use to describe much more serious treatment. >> the government is here to tell us, they've conceded that he was tortured. but because of relations with allies, with cooperating intelligence services, they won't say where it happene

that the torture the petitioner was subject to, but in an earlier date. and what you need to continue on with this investigation is essentially some evidence that that treatment was continued at a later date, the date in which you said he was in poland. and that is not in the public record. am i right about that? >> you're basically right about that, yes. there are hints of it. and what i would point to in particular in the guantanamo proceedings before the military commissions, when mitchell testified, he said, and this is a thin read, i will acknowledge, but he said that abu zubaydah was treated very shabbily when he was held in poland. and there was no lawyer there to represent abu zubaydah's interests at the time. it was khalid sheikh mohammed's trial, and so there was no one to follow up on that question or with an interest to follow up on that question on behalf of abu zubaydah. but having read mitchell's book, i can tell you that that's a lingo -- that's a language that he tends to use to describe much more serious treatment, just as the term enhan

there's plenty of evidence that the petitioner was tortured in some location. is there in fact, evidence that he was tortured in the dates that you are trying to establish that he was tortured in? in other words, i thought the senate report talks a good deal about the torture that the petition was subject to, but in an earlier date. what you need to continue on with this investigation is essentially some evidence that the treatment was continued at a later date, the date in which you say he was in poland, and that is not in the public record. am i right about that? >> you are basically right about that, yes. there are hints of it, and what i i would point you in particular in the guantÁnamo proceedings before the military commissions when mitchell testified, he said, and this is a thin reed, i will acknowledge, but he said that abu zubaydah was treated very shabbily when he was held in poland. there was no lawyer there to represent abu zubaydah's interests at the time. it was khalid sheikh mohammed trial and so there was no one to follow up on that question or

in that case, with the petitioner's jurisdictional argument be correct? mr. kuhn: no, justice kagan, i don't get would. let's assume that instead of putting the power to defend kentucky on the attorney general, the general assembly of kentucky had given it to itself. if that had happened and everything stated in your hypothetical, this court would not be having a jurisdictional discussion, because everyone would understand the attorney general in his enforcement cassidy which in your -- informant capacity which in your hypothetical went on the commonwealth. justice kagan: i am not sure i understand the answer so let me reframe the question. to take our decision in torres, which is the case where we made clear that the notice of appeal requirement is jurisdictional and impose a very harsh rule, saying that if you don't appeal, even if it is not your fault, you are out of luck, ok. do you think if torres had gone further and mr. torres had filed a motion to intervene that we would have said, oh, sure, go ahead and intervene? would the court has said that? mr. k

in that case with the petitioner's jurisdictional argument be correct?no justice i don't think it would and let me explain why. let's assume instead of putting the power to defend kentucky on the attorney general the general assembly had given it to itself. that had happened and everything stayed the same in her hypothetical, this court would not be having a jurisdictional discussion then. everyone would understand the attorney general and his enforcement capacity who in your hypothetical could file a judgment is a different of eight general assembly coming in and on behalf of the commonwealth. >> i'm not sure i understand the answer. let me reframe the question a little bit. take our decision in torres which is the case where we make clear the notice of appeal requirement is a jurisdictional and impose a very harsh role saying if you don't know appeal even if it's not your fault, you are out of luck. do you think if torres had gone further and mr. torres had filed a motion to intervene and we would have said oh sure go ahead and intervene, with the cour

perhaps we could get one to each petitioner.this is a segway to the next item. >> i have seen a map but it doesn't have the name of the park on it. it is a city map and they are just dots. if we could get a name by the dots. >> i am happy to sit in if the newer commissioners want to be part of that. just work through that with ashley. do we need public comment? >> commissioner jupiter jones and commissioner louie. >> go ahead, please. >> i just thought this meeting would be a good meeting to announce the baseball program are launching the 403 saturday girl clinics. we are scheduled for one for saturday. the forecast might prevent that until we get an official month. these are offered for baseball players of all level. they are for places to learn. crocker amazon. the home field. they are run by our amazing coaching staff along with some junior coaches and al lum currently in high school. we do 7-10. from 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. from 12 to 4 ages 11 to 4. next is november 20th. one on december 18. one on january 22. one on febru

i'm joined by two of those petitioners, alberto carvalo, superintendent of miami-dade schools, and welcomerintendent carvallo. we know masks work, the science is clear there. the question is the authority of the state to force you to allow an opt out. what's your case? >> well, i think the science is very compelling. i think we are following both law, science and reason. we have made a decision, approve bid our school board that mandatory masks with the appropriate medical accommodations are the right actions to take. and look, we have evidence that it is working. the positivity rate in our schools is extremely low. number of students and teachers quarantined is very low, and conditions continue to improve. putting us in a position within a couple of weeks to reconsider the data, consult with our medical experts, and possibly relax the protocols that are in place right now. there's plenty of science, verified science and studies that show that wearing masks indoors is good public health policy. >> superintendent cart wright, the department of health cites its authority to adopt rules gover

that this will likely be back to the supreme court on whether it is the respondent suing or the petitioners, it's unclear, but we're going back to the court at some point. >> barb, since the supreme court had a chance to rule a couple weeks ago and passed, any reason to believe this next potential time will be different? >> i think there is a chance that it could be different this time around. because robert pittman ruled on the merits, the status quo at the moment is to strike this down. as melissa said, depends a little on what happens at the fifth circuit, and i think there is an appetite at the supreme court to preserve this status quo so that may be the case. the posture of the case is a little different that might make it harder for the supreme court to ignore that. i also think that the attacks on legitimacy of the court we have seen since its decision a few weeks ago could cause chief justice john roberts and others to rally behind the idea we need to safeguard our presidents. i maintain a little hope we might see a different outcome this time around. >> melissa, what does it mean f

perhaps we could get one to each petitioner.the next item. >> i have seen a map but it doesn't have the name of the park on it. it is a city map and they are just dots. if we could get a name by the dots. >> i am happy to sit in if the newer commissioners want to be part of that. just work through that with ashley. do we need public comment? >> commissioner jupiter jones and commissioner louie. >> go ahead, please. >> i just thought this meeting would be a good meeting to announce the baseball program are launching the 403 saturday girl clinics. we are scheduled for one for saturday. the forecast might prevent that until we get an official month. these are offered for baseball players of all level. they are for places to learn. crocker amazon. the home field. they are run by our amazing coaching staff along with some junior coaches and al lum currently in high school. we do 7-10. from 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. from 12 to 4 ages 11 to 4. next is november 20th. one on december 18. one on january 22. one on february 26. drop in, sho

the petitioner shall abwithin their control to prevent loitering -- shall act within their control to prevent loitering on their property or adjacent properties. it should be noted that the applicant agreed to the following recommendations and conditions. >> chair mar: thank you for that. do we have a representative from evergreen market or ish's community market who would like to speak to this application? >> sure. my name is ishmael, and i'm the owner of ish's market. we just have a very good relationship with our community, and recently, they've just been requesting it more, and that's why we're applying for it. it's just no one in san francisco has the spirits that we need, and i think the community would enjoy it. we have a meat department, produce department, supermarket, and i think this addition would serve the community well. >> chair mar: great. thank you, mr. ahmed for that, and thank you for your service to the mission community for so many years. i don't see any questions from committee members. if we could go to public comment on this item. madam clerk? >> clerk: yes. fo

perhaps we could get one to each petitioner.this is a segway to the next item. >> i have seen a map but it doesn't have the name of the park on it. it is a city map and they are just dots. if we could get a name by the dots. >> i am happy to sit in if the newer commissioners want to be part of that. just work through that with ashley. do we need public comment? >> commissioner jupiter jones and commissioner louie. >> go ahead, please. >> i just thought this meeting would be a good meeting to announce the baseball program are launching the 403 saturday girl clinics. we are scheduled for one for saturday. the forecast might prevent that until we get an official month. these are offered for baseball players of all level. they are for places to learn. crocker amazon. the home field. they are run by our amazing coaching staff along with some junior coaches and al lum currently in high school. we do 7-10. from 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. from 12 to 4 ages 11 to 4. next is november 20th. one on december 18. one on january 22. one on febru