leon panetta at defense general david petraeus at cia. what is the decision to put a four-star geneneral who isn expert in counterinsurgency mean it for the cia, charle >> the most important counterinsurgency we are running right now is in afghanistan and pakistan, and he knows it. if you want somebody atat the center othe somewhere impoant, he is it. he is a great general and he will make an excellent cia director. >> colby? >> he is a leader, and that is what the cia needs, a lderr and a good manager who understands how it works and howow it relates to other institutions of government. >> na? >> he seems to be the right person. sometimes you watch events unfold and you don''t like what you see but therere is nhing you can do about it. we are watching the intelligence mmunity and the defense community emerge as one, and that means much less oversight from anybody outsiside but i don't know w what you can do o about it. >>? - -- mark? >> he will not be chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and one not the nato commander, and he will be a

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as general petraeus said to us back in august. this is an iconic figure for everyone engaged in counterterrorism around the world. this is not just about the united states. >> david, just in terms of your broadcast every sunday morning. and remember, we have viewers tuning in across the time zones, across the country, hearing the news about this, think of the tone and tenor and content this has marked, defined u.s. foreign policy. two wars were launched at least in the name of 9/11. of course, we have americans on a third front, fighting, you know, as part of a no-boots-on-the-ground policy as we go through what piece being called arab spring. >> it changed the country. 9/11 changed the country. it changed our armed forces. it changed our sense of vulnerability. it defined a presidency. george bush's presidency, who launched a war in afghanistan in search of bin laden, and towards the destruction of al qaeda. even though there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq, it defined our entire approach to national security. and jus

this way, petraeus will be a silent on one point. panetta -- cutting the budget is his job. >> the cia has for some time now been paramilitary. i wonder if that will be built up. >> that is exactly what i was talking about. i am assuming it will, and that means less and less oversight. one of the great things about the american military is that it has really help people to certain kinds of standards in warfare. the cia does not necessarily have those same standards. it is a classic intelligence agency, and i don't know what happenshen you meld the two. >> you have the panetta who has had to deal with that problem, the relationship between cia and national security, and at pa etraeus, who understands that as well. >> bob gates was the one cabinet secretary that brought about could not fire or replace. he had ture in tha office because of who he was and why he came from. afghanistan. the other -- he put pressure on afghanistan. the other thing is ryan crocker -- >> came out of retirement. >> very important. >> it is a pity he is in afg

as general petraeus said to us back in august. this is an iconic figure for everyone engaged in counterterrorism around the world. this is not just about the united states. >> david, just in terms of your broadcast every sunday morning. and remember, we have viewers tuning in across the time zones, across the country, hearing the news about this, think of the tone and tenor and content this has marked, defined u.s. foreign policy. two wars were launched at least in the name of 9/11. of course, we have americans on a third front, fighting, you know, as part of a no-boots-on-the-ground policy as we go through what piece being called arab spring. >> it changed the country. 9/11 changed the country. it changed our armed forces. it changed our sense of vulnerability. it defined a presidency. george bush's presidency, who launched a war in afghanistan in search of bin laden, and towards the destruction of al qaeda. even though there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq, it defined our entire approach to national security. and jus

i think the other thing, geraldo, it's a great vindication of petraeus.se petraeus was the advocate of the drone strikes and willing to take the fight to the tribal areas in back stan. work with the taliban andal guide and osama bin laden. if this is the case it's a great approach to him. >> we are going to pause for 20 seconds. we will be joining the fox network in one moment. very shortly we will be joining the network. 10 seconds. going live on the fox broadcast network as well as the fox news channel. this is a fox news special report. i am geraldo rivera in washington, d.c. where we are waiting to hear from the president of the united states. he has an extraordinary message to tell the american people and the world. fox news is confirming that osama bin laden is dead. i never thought i would be able to say those words. i am delighted, ladies and gentlemen, to bring you that message, osama bin laden, the terror mastermind the architect of the attacks that killed 3,000 americans almost ten years ago is dead. he has been killed. we are told by a u.s. bo

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he did not pick david petraeus to be chairman.recommending to the president, slower drawdowns in afghanistan than the president wanted. he finds himself at cia. he also didn't pick admiral jim stabbritas. he's the guy who pulled together this european coalition, including the french and the british, but he also got passed over. so i think the president is looking to, in marty dempsey, and ray odierno, people with tried and true combat experience, but sort of the quiet generals who have got experience, who will advise him, but in executing the strategy that he wants and he sees going forward. >> fran townsend with excellent insights for us, it's going to be interesting going forward, from the big political decisions about afghanistan and iraq. the president could always say, this is bush's holdover defense secretary in bob gates. now he will be gone. this is the president's team completely. now, fran, thanks for coming in tonight. when we come back, we'll reflect on this somber day, memorial day at arlington national cemetery. what

. >>> also on the same day, general david petraeus predicted a summer surge in high profile taliban attacks. a deadly bombing in afghanistan. a suicide bomber attacking a hospital in kabul. the afghan government puts the death toll at 6 with 26 others injured. >>> also, president obama seeking congressional support for the military mission in libya. under the 1973 war powers act, the president has 60 days to get congressional authorization for military action, if not, the mission must stop within 30 days. well, yesterday marked 60 days since president obama formally notified congress about the mission of bipartisan resolution now in the works. >>> also, the former head of the international monetary fund out of jail this morning. dominique strauss-kahn left yesterday and now at 24-hour guard apartment in new york. strauss-kahn proclaimed his innocence in the resignation to the imf board on wednesday. >>> also in mexico, he is behind bars. they have been looking for him for a while and wanted him badly. an alleged leader of one of that country's most notorious drug rings. they offered a $5 mi

and when general david petraeus took command last summer, he stepped them up further. petraeus has doubled the number of kill/capture missions, and issued hundreds of press releases announcing the death or detention of taliban leaders. >> the taliban had the momentum, and when you're faced with a serious, deteriorating situation, you have to do something about it. and the best way to do something about it is to use every tool available to you, and that includes everything from the very soft end of things all the way to the hardest of the hard end, which is, of course targeted raids. ( explosion ) >> go, go, go, go, go! >> narrator: the kill/capture campaign against the taliban is waged by both special operations forces and conventional troops. but leading and directing the program is a secretive counterterrorism unit within special forces known as joint special operations command, or jsoc. >> let me know when you got a target, five. coming up now. >> narrator: it was jsoc that carried out the operation that killed osama bin laden. >> the joint special operations comman

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war effort from general mccrystal in afghanistan, general david petraeus was asked on "meet the press" last august about osama bin laden. and about the importance of the united states getting osama bin laden. and about the connection between that and the afghanistan war. >> is his capture less important today than it was? >> well, i think he remains an iconic figure. i think capturing or killing osama bin laden is still a very, very important task for all of those who are engaged in counterterrorism around the world. let's remember why we are here. we're here so that afghanistan does not once again became a sanctuary for transnational extremists the way it was when al qaeda planned the 9/11 attacks in the kandahar area, conducted the initial training for the attackers in training camps in afghanistan before they moved on to germany and then to u.s. flight schools. the fact is that it was the taliban that allowed al qaeda to establish its bases and sanctuaries in afghanistan when it controlled a good bit of the country. that gives big pause, needless to say. that is why, again, this in

do you agree with such downgrade in the sense that i do i do agree with what general petraeus has cert and i have heard the various sermons and the various discourses that have been produced by homologs of only for the past you know decade or so and it's very difficult to compare osama bin laden. had it because they're two different individuals you know one is really the ideologues i mean i'm alone so out is basically a person who provides motivational guidance he gives a lot of sermons a lot of you know speeches about what the world is going through he's the one who will be written one of the most important books in the. history the book is titled the night under the banner of the prophet and where he strategizes his strategy against the west but clearly achievements that bin laden was responsible for gives him such a grand figure i mean as well the files are really short of this al qaida need such a figure because we we generally so we've been talking for for a long time now that al qaida actually isn't an organization this is a big cartel of different organizations who work individu

there was a pause this morning during general david petraeus' regular meeting, the announcement was madet osama bin laden had been killed. then they got on with the rest of the meet being, and that's the message we are getting from military compounds and from bases across the country, that soldiers are very satisfied that this has happened, but they're still going on patrols and still getting ready to fight the taliban and look for the remaining al qaeda soldiers here in afghanistan. >> live from kabul, many thanks. >> reaction has been pouring in worldwide, and people have taken to the streets in america, in particular in new york and washington. in new york, celebrations are underway. hundreds of people made their way to ground zero, the scene of the 9/11 attacks. times square has also been a focus for jubilant new yorkers. here's a couple of them. >> it's been a long time coming, but i'm sure america and all the allies of america and family members of all the victims feel some sense of relief that, you know, justice has finally been served. you know, that will never help them with the

around to afghanistan just recently but he came back with nothing except saying oh well general petraeus said things are going well there you know these guys have got to roll their sleeves up and find out what's happening in the world find out how to get america on course and stop pandering to a lot of these interest groups that are pushing these this type of behavior i mean we're just behind the curve and we may still be america's superpower and the strongest military in the world but we're certainly not using any of our resources the fact of the way in fact or hurting our military and our foreign policy establishment quite. infinitely if you ask me you know dan how's this going to affect. what and more i'm going to jump in. mark you know only the only problem is of course is that the people that are our congressmen and women are pandering to are the ones who are funding their re-election so it really comes down to that as long as they're being supported and funded by these very forces that profit from these empire of bases and global war on terror how could they ever go against them ok

general petraeus has not made a recommendation to the present yet so there's no decision with respect to that. but no question that we will. we just don't know how big i will be, or from what part of afghanistan per se. it does speak to a very important message of transition. president karzai i think the 22nd of march identified seven provinces for transition over the course of the next year or so. and then we are focusing on getting to a point by the end of 2014 with afghan security forces have a responsibility for their own security. and we think that's doable. we think we can meet that goal. i, on this most recent trip, which was out in these which is a very tough fight as well as down and helmand, was encouraged by what i've seen from security, improvements over the course of last year. so what you hear about that, i can just verify having been there, that said, visual be a very, very difficult year. it's already started out to be a tough year. we have tragic losses yesterday. we had eight of our airmen who were killed by this afghan airmen who was insde. and every loss is tragic.

intelligence with general petraeus going to c.i.a. as the new director that end is likely to continue. for many years, the c.i.a. has worked jointly with our special forces there missions that are outside of actual theaters of war whereyou're operating under title 50 of the u.s. code, it's a denyable operation, the c.i.a. will have its own paramilitary officers. but in addition they'll have the people who were from delta force from seal team six whatever, who re operating wit them on the ground. that's been going on in pistan for many years. there are people within the agency and certainly outside of it who worry that this paramilitary roll for the c.i.a. is taking over. that its roll role as intelligence agency, that is a collector and analyzer of information is taking a backseat to the c.i.a.'s detriment. about i think that's an issue that congressional overseers are going to have to really focus on when general petraeus goes over to c.i.a. i just would say one thing about bin laden's death means for al qaeda. steve coll is the expe

the taliban the united states that's the crucial question that needs to be asked because general petraeus does not have a good relationship with the pakistanis he's going to be having the cia this is really the wild card to watch a lot of unanswered questions jeremy and it's hard to know how or when we'll get those answers jeremy scahill author of blackwater the rise of the world's most powerful gore scenario army joining us from our new york studio switching gears now to the rights of workers in the united states yesterday on may first it's a day that many people celebrate may day the day to honor workers and unions immigrant worker rights now ever feel that leaders in the u.s. not only don't care about workers' rights but that labor unions are on their last legs and could be destroyed at the hands of u.s. corporations are these women going to without a rally in los angeles and have this for a. marching to the beat of the drum thousands of people took to the streets of los angeles demanding more jobs and better pay this like many other media marches across america has also transformed in

i'm not asking general petraeus, who won't be general petraeus in a little while over at the cia. talk about that, we are 150,000 now. >> i hate to put figures on it. i hate to think i know enough. over a three year slope the number probably should come down by more than half, perhaps considerably more than happen. i do not know how much additional trainers -- training forces one is going to have to retain. : >> i think my answer begins by disputing the premise on which he began the question, sir. i think you see a considerable linkage of al qaeda there you see more foreign fighters in the east that the linkages are much more fundamentalist as others coming in to the battlefield. if -- >> let me stop you there so it can get a response from the authors. basically all i am saying to you is i think first of all that separation is not correct. second, if you have a civil war going on in afghanistan, you will see the linkage intensified because talks katella dinallo -- tel dan will lead the reinforcement. you think the united states needs to be there to engage in a preventative civil w

using the replete george tebeau bush, barack obama or david petraeus would have used it was just describing the kind of mission of armed nation building but we are involved in that sort of been described in ways as the armed social work and i am trying to describe the phenomenon to the reader that might have this idea that when they look at the news and see what journalists call the bank and from places like iraq and afghanistan and show another picture of what goes on, as of three cups of tea side of the war which is what the military calls the non-kinetic side of things and what i wanted to get was the experience of people who were getting their hands dirty doing these kind of things, rebuilding schools, digging wells and roads, in places like iraq and afghanistan. >> so the u.s. military currently building schools, building roads, doing non-military functions? >> you'd be surprised to see the extent they've embraced an especially places like afghanistan we're doing this kind of nation building missions is a cornerstone of the exit strategy creating a capable government that's actually ca

i'm not asking general petraeus, who won't be general petraeus in a little while over at the cia. talk about that, we are 150,000 now. >> i hate to put figures on it. i hate to think i know enough. over a three year slope the number probably should come down by more than half, perhaps considerably more than happen. i do not know how much additional trainers -- training forces one is going to have to retain. : >> i think my answer begins by disputing the premise on whi a i think what you see is considerable linkage to al qaeda, that you're seeing more foreign fighters there you see more foreign fighters in the east that the linkages are much more fundamentalist as others coming in to the battlefield. if -- >> let me stop you there so it can get a response from the authors. basically all i am saying to you is i think first of all that separation is not correct. second, if you have a civil war going on in afghanistan, you will see the linkage intensified because talks katella dinallo -- tel dan will lead the reinforcement. you think the united states needs to be there to engage in a

bush, barack obama or even petraeus would use it, which this is a way of describing the mission of our nationbuilding that were involved in. it has been described in some ways as the armed social work. and i am trying to really describe this phenomenon to the ordinary reader. when they look at the news and they see what journalists call the bang bang from places like iraq and asking if tnn show them another picture of what goes on, sort of the three cups of tea cited the war. that is what the military calls an academic side of things. what i really wanted to get out was the very people who are really getting their hands dirty doing these kinds of things, rebuilding schools, digging wells, building roads, fundamentally nonmilitary situations in iraq and afghanistan. >> is the u.s. military building schools, building roads to nonmilitary functions? >> you use a price to see the extent to which they've embraced that especially in places like afghanistan, where doing these nationbuilding mission is a cornerstone of the exit strategy, creating a local government is capable of delivering thi

why else would he step on his great story about getting david petraeus to join the administration and not military but sy. it was desperation. >> it was a crazy media day. huge personnel changes and yet the big story was donald trump can president releasing. >> handled strangely. he stepped on his own story and i thought it was strange that president himself. that should have been on the staff level and concentrated on the real. if i am jay carny, i think i messed up here. donald trump had all . networks covering him . he went live. it waited for the president to finish. >> i would have said mr. president go early and get this man off. >> and even the president mentioned the fact or white house mentioned the fact that they never get that kind of coverage. >> and what is amazing. release the conservative. it was released four years ago and release the long form. >> bad news cycle. shouldn't have done it . so, if i can finish, i think you have a point. jay carny should have done it . shouldn't have been the opening act for donald trump. >> and tait da. >> nothing is good enough for thes

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. >> petraeus, mr.cy, is now at the cia. >> does this mean -- i had a sense last week -- that the joe biden scenario is the one that is going to be -- >> with the personalities, i think it is possible, because at the cia they hunt down and killed terrorists. >> no doubabout it, it is going to happen. >> to me it shows the genius, the perverse genius, of richard nixon. afghanistan was never even debated in the campaign of 2010, because nobody has paid for it, except a 1% of americans whose loved ones are in battle. nobody else. we are not paying with our dollars, not paying for it in blood, in children. it is a terrible moral indictment of this country. >> you know who andrew bacevich is? ph.d. of boston university, had his son died in iraq. "people find nothing in this and the prospect of armed conflict without any doubt." does he have a point? -- without end." does he have a p point? >> he does. it is a little scary the country will not tolerate an endless war. >> but we do. we up the military that as

general david petraeus himself pinned medals on sizemore, mott, bankston, mendez and a host of otheroldiers. awards they would gladly trade for the lives of their brothers. and then they went home. there was no sendoff. no brass band. without a word, they walked to a chartered helicopter and got the hell out of kunar and the heart of darkness. >> mike boettcher reporting. the real story of war. what we ask of those who fight for sxuls what they give. it's been 3,522 days since american troops were sent to afghanistan. thanks for watching abc news. he hope you've had a good memorial day weekend.

the president offered up some eerie foreshadowing when he praised petraeus. >> as a lifelong consumer of intelligence, he knows that intelligence must be timely, accurate, and acted upon quickly. >> that's for sure. that same night, president obama managed to crack a joke about those birthers at a democratic national committee fundraiser. >> my name is barack obama. i was born in hawaii. nobody checked my i.d. on the way in. >> he gave the final order for the operation on the morning of april 29th, toured the tornado damage in alabama later that day, and that evening gave a commencement address at miami dade college, and a vote september 11. >> when bombs fell on pearl harbor, when an iron curtain fell over europe, when the threat of nuclear war loomed just 90 miles from this city, when a brilliant september morning was darkened by terror, in none of those instances did we falter. we endured. we carried the dream forward. >> well, the raid was scheduled to take place on april 30, saturday, but weather delayed the operation by one day, allowing the president to try his hand at comedy a

counterinsurgency, is now at -- petraeus, mr. counterinsurgency, is now at the cia. >> does this mean that the joe biden scenario is the one that is going to be -- >> look at the personalities, i think it is possible. at the cia, what they do is to hunt down and kill terrorists. >> no doubt about it, is going to happen. >> to me it shows the perverse genius of richard nixon. afghanistan was never even debated in the campaign of 2010, and the reason is that nobody has paid for it. nobody is paying for it except the 1% of americans whose loved ones are in battle. we are not paying for it in dollars, in blood, in our children. it really is a terrible moral indictment of this country. you know who andrew bacevich is? ph.d. at boston university, his son died in iraq. "to be an american soldier to find to be s-- that people find nothing amiss about it war with no anend." does he have a point? >> he does. but the country will not tolerate an endless war. >> it does. >> that is what is unfair about it. unless you have the shared sacrific

and i met with general petraeus and all the leaders on the ground. the first time to the second time i was there. and we know that we're going to have a tough spring and summer depending on how hard the taliban wants to come back. i know we've degraded their leadership a lot. and i know the plan is to pull the troops out by 2014, to turn over the control to provinces. i know we're ready to turn over a couple of the provinces right now. and i think we're on a plan to enhance their military capabilities. the 70,000 recruits that we brought into the army last year, we've been working hard to get them educated up to third grade level where they can communicate and understand what's going on better and be able to provide their own security within their country. and i think we're on target to do that. if they can do it sooner, so much the better. but i think that it's better to be successful than to rush getting out and leave all that we've accomplished. >> congressman, what about pakist pakistan? as you well know, your colleagues on the hill, democrats an

. >> now, today's attack coincides with a warning memo from general david petraeus. the commander of coalition forces in afghanistan. they should expect an uptick in high-profile attacks in afghanistan this summer. that memo is available. petraeus, you may remember, president obama nominated him to be the next director of the cia. >>> another developing story that we are following this morning. a manhunt under way in oklahoma city. these are just some of the scenes from overnight. police looking for two suspects in connection with the shooting of a sheriff deputies. his name is major john waldenville. he was expected to go into surgery just about an hour ago. he's a 25-year vet. picking up extra work as a security guard when he was shot in the head. i talked with the oklahoma city sheriff about the evidence they have so far in this investigation. >> some of the event itself has been captured on video and we believe we're going to have at least enough to make a good identification of one of the suspects or at least one of the suspects. but we, we have men and women on

. >> petraeus, mr. counterinsurgency, is now at the cia. >> does this mean -- i had the sense last week -- that the joe biden a scenario you suggest is the one -- >> look at the personalities, i think it is possible. at the cia, what they do is find out until terrorists. -- hunt down and kill tourists. it is quite -- kill terrorists. >> to me it shows the perverse genius of richard nixon. the reason it was not debated in the campaign up 2010 is that nobody has paid for it. only those whose loved ones are in battle. we're not paying for it in dollars, in blood, in our children. it is a terrible moral indictment of the country. >> you know who andrew bacevich is? professor, had his son died in iraq. "nothing in this in the prospect of armed conflict without end." does he have a point? >> he does. it is a little scary. i don't think that this country, for all the problems, will tolerate an endless war. . but we -- >> but we do. we have the military that as the fighting for us. >> that is what is so unfair