what isn't clear, and drew petrimoulx, tell me if i'm wrong about this, we still don't know exactly if the neighbors heard anything or not. is there various reports whether anyone heard an argument before this happened? >> these neighbors didn't. there are reports other neighbors did. but i looked at an aerial shot of how that neighborhood is laid out, and it seemed to me it would be really hard for any of the other neighbors to hear anything. these are really huge houses. and across the street is a golf course. and so the only neighbor that's next to -- or even remotely close to tiger woods' house is pretty far off in the corner of that street. so it would strike me as really strange if any other neighbors were able to hear it. those are big houses and they're far apart. so it would seem to me to be pretty difficult for another neighbor to hear a fight, even if there was one. >> and kim serafin, what does elin nordegren, tiger's wife say? did she hear the crash? why did she end up outside? >> again, this is really interesting, because we don't really know much about elin. now, accordi