that is not how it works and guy petrullo knows that better than anybody, because he was chief, and he imposed that rule, and it has been that way for decades, and it is frighten iing to the defendants who come in, and we know about certain thing, but we have to know everything that you did, and it is going to feel like facing more time, but over the decades of experience in the southern district in new york, the people who have come clean, and truly wiped the slate clean and sold the southern district everything, those are the people who have done much better in terms of the sentencing and end up doing little to no jail time. it is not a promise, but that is the way it is working historically. and so, you know, lanny davis, you know, he is trying the make excuse, and he is trying to poke holes in it, but again i go back to the idea that michael cohen is not being treated any differently than any other defendant and nor should he be, so he has toette anotherer cooperate like other coprators or going to jail. >> and nbc news investigations reporter tom winter was inside of the courthous