it's the same with the stores being looted every time it's looting, that's all it is, it's not petty larceny store and they're taking stuff with a calculator and get to a thousand they walk out unchallenged and nobody cares about that. it will continue as long as we have the cowards in politics, not just congress, but local politics as well and local politicians have to step up. be careful who you vote for. david: that's right, we are a representative democracy and you've got to get out there and vote for the people that you think deserve to be in that position. lieutenant, great to see you again and i appreciate it. >> anytime, david, take care. david: you too. as we mentioned places like chicago, new york, san francisco are getting hit hard by shoplifting craze. some stores were even forced to close down over how bad it's gotten. my next guest says it's actually worse than reported. california retailers association president and ceo rachel michelin joins me now to explain. rachel, we've seen the awful pictures, but it go -- it can lead to violence as well. m in l.a. last summer, a shop own