i think in many ways nationalism is rejection of peyton jim just as patriotism rejects nationality. so i don't think the antiwar mom was antipatriotic and this idea we were against the troops is wrong. it was the center of the effort, and interestingly the troops are at the center of the antiiraq effort right now. i went down to an encampment early on that cindi sheehan set up in texas and there was a peace encampment run by soldiers, and we ended up kind of -- when they said lunch is as noon they didn't mean 12:30 or 1:00. all the anarchists were starving because they didn't get there on time. it was amusing and also true that the people who understand war are the people who went there and found the here of horror of it. michael says those who make wars never fight them. those who fight wars never like them, and i think that's largely true. so i never felt that i was against the troops but i'm against the war. mill maher made a joke that being pro war was supporting the troops and he said something to the effect, i have never heard anybody say i love the bush administration, it's t