>> we have a good sense of the nonprofit privates that are not part of pfa and the reasons are they're choosing not to come in and we can get that number because we know the lay of the land. >> i am curious why they don't choose and families choose otherwise and i am curious of the overall penetration rate of those attending preschool. >> like we said we have a 83% penetration rate in preschool, a little less in terms of pfa but we have a high rate and why we stand out compared to other communities. >> do we know how we do compared to other cities? >> yeah, we're way, way above and aarony duncan -- >> yeah, maybe everyone realizes that and how successful we have been around pre-k and a lot of mayoral speeches in new york and oakland and around the country but i don't feel we do enough to tout our success here and i am not aware of how high the penetration rate is. >> it's interesting outside of san francisco everybody knows about san francisco and well established universal preschool and we were the first to have one endorsed by the mayor and it's amazing and it's been going on for a l