. >> guest: i was not saying that wolfowitz, pro-and pfeiffer not neocons. they were. rumsfeld was never really had a card-carrying neoconservative. he was at times a fellow traveler and the found it worth, useful to be associated with them to sign their letters and before becoming defense secretary of serious issues, and to have them in his upper ranks of the pentagon, but he himself was not a card-carrying neoconservative. and, as for the transformation, and there is a lot that could be included under what rumsfeld intended with transformation and part of the problem i think was that, i think by the time he left, it was the buzzword, whose meaning seem to encompass almost anything anybody wanted it to who was trying to effect change of the pentagon. >> host: donald rumsfeld doesn't eagles you wrote that he almost quit. what maid internet around? >> guest: he did almost quit. he was very involved in scouting for of his high-school career and now is very proud of the fact that he stayed at it. and, was not going to be a quitter and was determined to see it through. and

edmonds versus the department judgement whistle-blower suit and the behalf of the fbi translator pfeiffer reporting serious misconduct. mr. west was a law clerk to the honorable stephen reinhardt of the court of appeals for the ninth circuit. is a graduate of harvard college in new york university's school of law and i must say i have the funds for the new york university of lawson's my son is currently a student. i am pleased to welcome all of you. it is no mullite-- each of your reinstatements abed made part of the record in its entirety and i would ask you summarize your testimony in five minutes or less. there is a timing for your table. when one minute remains the light will switch from green to yellow and then to read when the five minutes are up. before we began to discuss-- if you please stand and raise your right hand to take the oath. do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury the testimony you are about to give is true and correct to the best of your knowledge, information and belief? the record reflect the witnesses into in the affirmative. you may be seated. the first wi