i also know that most of the cases that the city has brought against pg & e, pg & e has won. the city has won a few but pg & e has won most. i was involved in a case where three conduits were under our force main. by our city, with the knowledge of sf puc and they tried to put the blame on pg & e to compromise our force main. when the public gets home, we the public, we need the experts to discuss factual stuff. we know pg & e is going to fight you and you need to fight pg & e. >> your time is up. >> next speaker please. anyone else would like to comment? seeing no one. public comment is closed. >> next item. >> schedules of rates and charges of the san francisco public utilities commission power enterprise for phase one of the clean power sf community choice aggregation program for renewable power procurement within san francisco. >> today i can like to talk to you about the history of the program, just a few reminders. talk a little bit about the program and how it's designed and how we vision it and how we have revised it and made a change to make it a more viable program

of 150 megawatts of a wind turbine farm, the supplier must bid generation rate that is will current pg&e generation rates for each rate class, that's not what we have before us today. what was proposed, what was initially voted on, what the board initially supported is a very different program, so while i think staff has made strong strides to get to that, that's not where this initially started and we do feel that there has been a bit of a bait and switch on that, we are concerned about moving forward with a plan that doesn't respond to the earlier requirements of local generation. in addition, i think it's important to note enrdc does a report on the top energy providers in the country and they categorize that by pollution and by megawatt hour, pg&e is the cleanest for c02 of any investor of utility in the country, it seems strange it's doing all this effort to move away from that. thank you. >> commissioner vaoet -- vietor, you had a comment? >> i wonder if you could just respond to that earlier goals and the initial comments that mr. [inaudible]. er >> were you here at the time tha

i'm a substation electrician for pg&e, member of ibw1245, i have five year widths the company, before i arrived here, i was working at the larkin street sub where the power was distributed to city hall and the civic center kolas -- comes from there. >> be kind to us. >> yeah, i work a lot of overtime to make sure that happens. you know what, we all want clean power, we all want green power. i have a hard time visualizing that the shell oil company is the one to provide that. this is a company that probably for centuries have been profiting from pushing fossil fuel products, okay. i think we need to be really careful about multinational companies coming over here maintaining that they're here for the greater good of the community. perhaps it's unfair, but when i think about the shell oil company, i think of monsonto, at least with pg&e, it's a local company. >> alita dupree, welcome. >> thank you for the chance to speak to you today. i come here as a consumer of electricity, both indirectly and directly. i come here for the summer. i anticipate spending 120 days or so in san francisco

since the pg & e has presented a rate of 9 cents, we are now within striking distance within the pg & e rate and the bill for tier one customers would be for pg & e. this is another table. it shows you three scenarios for three different resources mixes at 11.9 cents retail. each of those scenarios will provide us with come build out funds and each of them give us a little head room for reducing the rate. as you can see, the scenario that we would propose today is that 25 percent bundled product with the remainder of the purchases of rec's. all of these scenarios would give us around $200 million around bonding capacity probably after two 1/2 years. if you have questions about that, todd can explain than better than i can. are there any questions so far? okay. >> yes, what counts for the difference in the rates between marine and the lower? >> a couple of things. we have a strip to payback the $13 million reserve that we need in order to sign long-term contracts. since we don't have a creditworthy independent organization. we have a little bit set aside in case we sign of care custome

i was with the marine program before we launched service when pg&e spent 44 million dollars marketing against our program and trying to defeat this happening in marine. we know that the shell shock campaign is being led by the ibew and you can't ignore the connections they have with pg&e, being with marine when we saw all of the marketing campaigns against our program there, it's clear that the same designer who did the campaign in marine against our program that was funded by pg&e is the same organization who's doing it ear in san francisco, do not be fooled by the misinformation that's being circulated -- >> the organization's name? >> jason freed knows the organization's name, and please don't lose site of the amazing changes that you guys can implement here in san francisco. thank you. >> shawn marshal representing lean energy usa. welcome. >> thank you. good afternoon, commissioners, thank you very much for having us here today. over the past several months as director kelly pointed out, the commission has asked for several things to go back to the drawing board and be revisited.

pg & e doesn't want the trees over their vault. if the tree shifted at one side over the other, the concern is access. tapp at that time it can be pruned to access the vault. dpw's perspective is we don't want to eliminate some of the trees but also respecting pg & e. i think there is still plenty of room for access to the driveway. i think it's important to note that this is a really expansive vast sidewalk now. if you walk by it. i should have brought you a photo taken today. the sidewalk is already built out with no greenery. i think that is not in keeping with the city's plan policy. even though you might end up with an -- alone tree. i hope that you grant the authority for an allowing to assess rather than the planting of a quantity of the required trees that we would try to work closely with pg & e and the developer that would get the trees would be assessed, but if you would be willing to grant a little bit of flexibility that you were not able to compromise with pg & e, then perhaps to remove these would be assessed. i real

they said pg & e. i said who owns the grid? they said pg & e. i said i'm going to be pg & e tonight because this is when this department was trying to put together peakers in my community and we fought against that. the thing of it is that i hope that you all make the decision because that is your responsibility. because i'm even concerned more about jobs, local hiring and this is one of the reasons that local hiring passed is because some of the unions did not local hiring to come forth to hire from the community. so i just want to say that you have a good job on your hand. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> i want to begin by giving you a little bit of history because i represent the first people of this area. so, when the hatch valley was dammed by people in san francisco using their power so that we could use hydroelectricity and i know that most of you have not read the rick act of 1913. if we have electricity, we chose to sell it and now we need it. in all this deliberations this body, the joined body has not been sincere in

. >> what i found interesting is you're partnering with pg&e where the partners here are preventing pg&e. >> a cc a program is a partnership with the incumbent utility, we work with pg&e to provide service to customers, customers in our territory continue to get their bills from pg&e, we ever been working in partnership for the last three years and i must say it's been going well over the last year and a half and we have a good working part ner ship that's meeting the needs of customer ins a cooperative way. >> it didn't sound like cooperation from the previous witness. >> i would echo the sentiments of the first speaker in the words that i used just now is that in the last year and a half, we've had a cooperative relationship with pg&e but the comments made earlier is accurate, we had a difficult launch, nrfs a lot of misinformation nufp of what i'm hearing today, kind of getting some flash backs, a lot of misinformation that is not grounded in fact that can make it difficult as a decision-maker to make a clear decision to move forward, the ceqa concept that's being brought up, the jo

this area is showing where we can't plant based on the pg & e requirements. that wouldn't allow any trees in that area. as a part of that underground vault, next door there is a pg & e substation. there is a lot of utilities that come right into this area. part of what we have down here is pg & e, which is future connections they want to have. this red area is showing where they have another one there where we have another tree. that tree, we had to remove as well because we could not fit it into there. as you go up the street, there is additional construction that happens as part of phase 3. as a part of that, this will be the entrance to the garage here. as you go through here there will be construction that happens at this point. this will be in a part of the garage entry right here. part of what has happened here is we are expanding the sidewalk. so the original curb line was this line along here and that gets moved out as we move down the street at different phases. that last tree was in the way of the garage entry and also future construction. so ideall

this is what you could be paying for things like pg & e. i have $50 for pg & e. i can pay a thousand percent more for my pg & e bill and my expenses would not exceed my income. this is very minimal and it's our responsibility to do this. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker, please. >> hello, thank you to the commissioner and staff for all the work that you have done here today. i think commissioner vetore is hitting it on the head. the most important thing for our planet is to pass this to show the rest of the country what it means to take a hundred percent renewable step into healing our planet. the clean power san francisco represents this reasonable and it gives the competitive cap. i think 11.5 is a good point because it's going to put a lot of public support around it. i'm a san francisco resident. i live in the city. i want to be part of something like this. like i think that's -- what i said before if we meet these climate goals set forth by the sf environment, it's going to be a great thing for all of us. thank you for your time. i think that's it for m

>> i'll go ahead and talk about pg&e. i would say first off we've designed our own standards for what should happen in an earthquake or any other major emergency. our electric system is designed to worry about trees and wind and rain, which is what we see the most of, and tends to be the most damaging, but we have our own standards and our own expectations in terms of what our system should be able to withstand. add david pointed out, the risk is that an event will occur that is greater than what you have prepared for. that's always a possibility. in terms of working with others i think the important part is to make sure you understand what everyone is relying on you for. so it really comes back it an issue of priorities. what's going to come back first, what's going to come back second. for pg&e we always worry about bringing electrical generation back, those are done in conjunction with our gas and electric together. most of the power plants in california are fed natural gas, you need to get the gas back up before you g

the board of the supervisors supports this program while the mayor, pg&e and its union oppose it, you know you are feeling pressure but we cannot have additional delay. and i believe we disasgraoe with the city attorney's opinion or we have questions about it because the charter section gives the puc for the responsibility of establishing rates to meet financial needs of the system. any further delay will show that we are in a constitutional crisis caused by a city department failing, the board stands ready to approve these rates but nothing more can happen until you take action. therefore, if there is further delay, i have no choice but to request the city attorney to draft the charter or explore other options to provide the method to provide this stalemate, it is too important to allow this to die in the vine, it provides leadership and this will long be remembered for the action you take today. >> do you wish to respond, deputy city attorney? to those comments? >> no, i think you just said they would request the city attorney to draft something, to that certainly would have been th

. >> just selling power to the -- >> pg&e? >> -- to pg&e? >> no, pg&e doesn't need bucket 1 renewable resources right now. >> i get it. >> but i didn't do that analysis. i'm telling you what my understanding. >> i have our director would like to say something. i know we have jason freed from lafco. we've got a public that's wait tog comment. because we're coming right up on the limit of our ten-minute estimated time on this item. [laughter] >> thank you for all of the time you're spending on this. >> thank you. >> commissioners, i did just want to mention that we do have danielle murry in the audience from the department of [speaker not understood] and has done assessment of some in-city potential. if you'd like her to come up now or after public comment. she is a resource for commissioners throughout this discussion. >> maybe during public comment. maybe she can give a public comment or she can decide what she wants to do. >> unless there's -- >> i just have a quick question because i know we spent a lot of time on this. and i don't know if

they have an arrangement with pg&e and some pg&e power gets here to run muni. pg&e is tracking that on either end so they know how much power came on, how much is off in the balances. with a rec, the power is going on to offset somebody else's load and the rec is going to you. so, it's not like that power goes off to the ether and isn't used anywhere. it does create a benefit and that other person who is buying that power would have otherwise bought in california, would have otherwise bought system power which is largely natural gas. i don't think i helped by your facial expression. [laughter] >> so, it's a trade-off. it's a trade-off. >> correct. >> you sell energy to this person because they're closer, and they sell energy to me because i'm closer. >> yes. >> okay. >> all right. >> there should be a science to take things like this. somebody should have like a masters to be able to take things like this and be able to speak plainly to people. >> yeah, i think that's why people sometimes look to the commission on the environment, particularly with this new typ

brought up, the job loss at substations doesn't make any sense as i described, pg&e continues to serve customers by distributing the power, delivering the bill, they continue to employ the ibew workers that you're hearing from today, there hasn't ban loss of jobs from pg&e in our community, they've had to add some folks to provide support to our team. >> you've added 20 jobs? >> we have an in-house staff of 17 folks, we also have a team of outside consultant that is provide additional support to us and then we have a team of vendors who are providing energy efficiency and renewable installation services in addition to that, so if you add up the jobs created and the services purchased in our community, there is an impakts, a positive impact to our local economy. >> great, thank you so much and keep up the great work. >> thank you so much. >> jay carmona. >> welcome. >> good afternoon, commissioners, i'm sue von, you called me earlier, i'm with the sierra club >> >> what happened to jay? >> in line. i am with the sierra club, and we -- as john rizzo testified earlier and as michelle test

i mean, what is the competitive pg&e? if it's easier and we can get through it, we can say that we have concerns about the current design of the program and its progress towards the city's local and renewable energy generation and local job training and placement goals. and if need be, you know, it's no mystery we have the vice president of the commission with us tonight. he's heard all of this. everything can be conveyed. i can be at the commission. and if they want to endorse some of this stuff, i can lay it and some of the stuff we're looking for. but all this stuff, you know, what is the future dependency on recs? do we want to have a conversation about how long we've got to get off recs? what is the future dependency, a week? you know what i mean, we're selling the weeds on all this stuff. the road to having certain of these things. >> sir, in all honesty, i won't do this another 10 minutes. i will not. as a representative of this city and of people that i think are represented on this thing, i would rather just go t