they can be just as phanatic. and that is, there are some signs of progress -- just as phanafanatic. again, we saw these in the european cases. they are not as good. there are not as many. they cannot vet them in their training camps, but the court that there is still fighting r -- tothhe core is still as fanatic. host: what about an imam pushing this forward? >> they are focusing more on more -- more and more on local foot soldiers, and young men, usually between 18 and 29, who go to a radicalized mosque, and it is preached that the west is their enemy, and they decide they will do something about this, so these imams, in almost every case, they are recruiting. this. host: if al qaeda was dismantled -- guest: if it went away, we would guest: if it went away, we would be much safer. that means they were a direct threat. i imagine there was some hope that these conflicts were localized. if they have now identified pakistan as a weak link. we have to worry about anything that might suggest it would fall into the han