if we come to the conclusion that there is indefensible position for phasors, which many to be open-minded and here, if there is indefensible position, to make sure that the officers that armed with these taser is have the proper kind of training and proper kind of interaction with their communities. i think that communities of color will suffer more from the use of tasters. >> thank you. we're joined by supervisor wiener and supervisor cohen. thank you so much for being here. services has asked me to notify you that there is an overflow room and there's more seating. are there any more questions? seeing thank you very much. i would like to call but mr. philip hogan. if you could talk about your experience, your background, your interest for serving and dino the questions i will be asking you as well. >> my name is phil upload in, i was born in nebraska. my father is from lebanon and my mother is from ireland and france. . i have been involved in government for almost 40 years, i work for the city county and state government in nebraska and i was a police officer and i made sheriff at 18.