phelps. guest: our message is for the living. it included mr. and mrs. snyder but it included the rest of the nation. there is nothing wrong under the law with taking a message to a target audience. the requirement is that you do it within proper bounds. and he just said perhaps if we had done it in baltimore. half of the case was about an epic written posted on a passive church website. that was written in topeka, kansas, halfway across the country. what the trial court said is no time, no place, no manner can you say something that the family of the dead soldier takes offense at. that's too broad. look where that would lead -- leave every publisher in the land. some person called in saying they saw our "thank god for breast cancer sign" and his wife died of breast cancer. a year and a half ago. does he get a cause of action because we say one of the ways god in his righteous judgments wanted -- one of his righteous earth judgments is that he's afflicted this nation with huge rates of breast

phelps. why should the first amendment tolerate exploiting this marines family when you have so many other forums for getting across your message? margie phelps summed up her family's message this way -- nation, hear this little church. if you want to stop dying, stop sinning. on a trip to arlington national cemetery for yet another protest this week, church members tried a different tack -- is there no other way? no other place? a funeral when they're mourning their babies? ♪ crying about your feelings for your sin no shame ♪ ♪ you're going straight to hell on your crazy train ♪ >> reporter: well, the members of this church is very much away of the pain they cause. and it such an emotional case, diane. one of the briefs in this case noted that this is the first time in american history that anyone, anywhere, has ever protested at a funeral. >> such a case this is. thank you, terry. and, of course, we have a lot more questions about who are these people who stalk the grieving at funerals? and

phelps says. what right do this church has to interview -- interfere in the right to bury their son or daughter whether their son or daughter was killed in military action, whether they died from some other issue? it's not the content. as justice ginsburg said, they can go say this somewhere else, but can they say this in this particular place? host: tim nieman is a graduate of the university of virginia where he got his j.d. chicago, michael, independent. hi. caller: hello. host: hi, you're on the air, michael. caller: i know these protesters got a sign saying something like fag, breast cancer. what does it have to do with the soldiers? two, i've never seen any of these protesters like this woman who protests against these soldiers. i'd like to see them come to the west side our south side of chicago to do the same thing. see what happens. host: all right. and margie phelps, what's your response to that? i think that caller was saying, go into a different type of neighborhood, go into -- go to a

years now, the few dozen zell lots that belong to the church, most of them are from one family, the phelps they've been spewing a grim and dark message, a message they argue it's their first amendment right to spread, and they, they brought that to the supreme court. >> when you have a public funeral and you broadcast to the nation that that dead soldier is a hero and that god is blessing america, we will be there and tell you, god is cursing america. >> reporter: that's margie phelps, whose father fred founded the church. she's their lead attorney. and that's one side of her. yet, this is her yesterday. that's her wearing the american flag around her waist. you hear that old saying about the -- about the lawyer who represents herself as a fool for a client? >> sure, i've heard that. if i wasn't professional and i didn't understand proper decor rum, i've been representing this church for 20 years and picketing for 20 years and i win them all. >> reporter: for the past four days, church members and their kids have been making their way to washington for their big day in court. traveling fro

margie phelps is fred phelp's daughter. >> it is irrelevant whether that soldier or any of these soldier was homosexual. the primary point can be recapped like this: when you don the doomed american military uniform today, that stands for one thing in this world: same- sex marriage. >> reporter: marine lance corporal matthew snyder was killed in iraq in 2006. the phelps traveled to maryland to protest at his funeral. they brought signs that read "thank god for dead soldiers," "you're going to hell," and others with strong anti-gay language. corporal snyder's father, albert, sued the phelpses for intentionally inflicting emotional distress. we spoke with snyder and his attorney, sean summers. >> the phelps targeted me and my family by name, and they took away the last chance i had to bury my son. the only chance i had to bury matt. >> reporter: today, margie phelps defended her family before the court. >> the rule of law that is implicated whenever someone steps up and says "your words upset me," it's a long-standing- - i mean, well over 100 years in jurisprudence of this nation-- is that

after his son's funeral, albert snyder sued phelps and the church.case is in court. >> all we wanted to do was bury matt with dignity and respect. >> reporter: yesterday, church members rolled into washington and headed to what they think is the center of everything that's wrong in the world. the white house. ♪ no hesitation ♪ ♪ you got more perversion to display ♪ ♪ there's no part of you ♪ you have a pistol ready >> reporter: among the protesters on this chilly october afternoon, another counter protesters. >> do i agree with their message? absolutely not. but do i agree that they should have the right to come spread their filth, unfortunately for all of us, yes, i do. >> reporter: then, arlington. where just as soon as the busloads of westboro members started singing, a group of veterans on motorcycles showed up to try to drown them out. but westboro, not only are they used to these counter demonstrations, they laugh at what their opponents do. >> louder, ladies! louder! >> reporter: mocking the motorcycle revving as their flag dancing music as th

put on line saying snyder raised his son for the devil. >> speaking as a father, the phelps' conduct was so extreme, it went beyond all possible bounds of basic human decency. >> reporter: but phelps' daughter, who is also his lawyer told the supreme court today that funerals are public events, open to protests. >> the mere fact that you call yourself having your feelings hurt over words is not enough to shut up the speech. >> reporter: but if she was expecting a ringing endorsement from the court, she didn't get it. justice ginsburg called it a case about exploiting a private family's grief. why should the first amendment tolerate that she asked when there are so many other places to spread an anti-war message, like public buildings or parks? the phelps insist they keep their distance at funerals, but justice scalia says that doesn't mean you can have a protest that defames the corpse. and justice alito suggested that words can wound. he asked, suppose someone walks up to a woman that has just been to the grave of her grandson killed in combat and says, i'm so happy that it happened

but an appeals court threw out the verdict against the phelps.hat gives you the right to protest in front of someone's funeral? >> i didn't... do you understand what a public right of way is? what gives you the right to cover that funeral? what gives you the right to run a news story about it? i tell you. pick me. the first stinging amendment. >> reporter: but for al snyder, the case is about matthew. >> somebody said to me five million dollars, i bet you'd give it up to have matt back. i would give it up just to say good-bye. >> reporter: the phelps have protested at hundreds of military funerals. again, they're not targeting gay soldiers, they're targeting all soldiers. there's a small group here tonight. they're going to be back at the supreme court tomorrow protesting again what they say is god's retribution for america's tolerance of homosexuals. katie? >> couric: jan, these protestors are not very sympathetic to say the least, yet they've got a number of groups supporting their position >> reporter: that's right, katie. the american civil l

the phelps families are here outside the supreme court. we should warn you heading into the piece some of the material some viewers may find disturbing. marine lance corporal matthew snider was 20 years old when he was killed in iraq. tell me about march 3rd, 2006. the day you found out that he was killed. >> it was probably the worst day of my life. if you lose a parent, you're an orphan. if you lose a spouse, you're a widow or a widower. if you lose a child, there's not even a word to describe it. >> reporter: even after all this time, i mean, the pain is -- >> it is still there. it's still there and it's no different. >> reporter: but albert says that was only the beginning of the nightmare for his family. ♪ members of the kansas-based westborough church picketed outside matthew's funeral as they have done at military funerals hundreds of times before. the church believes soldiers are dying because god is punishing the country for, quote, the sin of homosexuality. matthew was not gay. >> i'm sorry that they their raised their son for th

fred phelps of the ty westboro baptist church shows up at military funerals to claim that because the nation tolerates gay rights, u.s. war deaths are god's punishment. >> i pray that they kill more of them guys. theyon't seem to have gotten the message. these idiots are still talking about patriotism. >> reporter: their message at the funeral outraged corporal snyder's fathe albert, who sued for emotional distress over the protest and a diribe phelps put on line saying snyder raised his son for the devil. >> speaking as a father, the phelps' conduct was so extreme, it went beyond all possible bounds of basic human decency. >> reporter: but phelps' daughter, who is also his lawyer, said the funerals are public events open to protests. >> the mere fact that you call yourself having your feelings hurt ovewords is not enough to shut up the speech. >> reporter: but if she was expecting a ringing endorsement from the court, she didn't get it. justice ginsburg called it a case about exploiting a private family's grief. why should the first amendment tolerate that she asked when there are so

phelps. >> mr. chief justice, may it please the court, when members of the westboro baptist church entered a discussion and wide array of activities. taking place in direct connection with the deaths and funeral of soldiers killed in iraq and afghanistan. they did so with great boundaries that have been set by the precedence of this court. >> mr. phelps. suppose your group or another group or find a wounded soldier. demonstrates that the work place, his church. basically saying a lot of the things that were on these signs or other offensive and outrage out things and follows this person around day to day. does this person not have a plan for intentional emotional stress? >> any nonspeak, following, nonconfrontati nonconfrontational. >> demonstrations outside of the person's home. demonstrations not disruptions but saying these kind of thing. you are a war criminal. whatever these signs say or worse. >> my answer, just kagan is no, i don't believe that person should have a cause of action. and

justice ginsburg pointedly asked the lawyer for the church, phelps' daughter, margie phelps, why shouldte exploiting this marine's family when you have so many other orum getss y margie phelps summed up her nation hear this little church, if you want to stop dying, stop something r sinning. on a trip to arlington national cemetery for yet another froes -- protest this week, church members tried a different tact. is there no other way, is there no other place, a funeral? they're mourning their babies. ♪ crying about your feelings for your sin no shame you're going to straight to hell on your crazy train ♪ >> reporter: the members of this church are very much aware of the pain they cause and the effect they're having. this is such an emotional issue. one of the briefs in the case noted this is the first time in american history that any one could determine that anyone, anywhere has ever protested at a funeral. terry moran, abc news, the supreme court. >>> a key supply route to nato troops in afghanistan could soon reopen now that the u.s. has apologized to pakistan. pakistan had closed th

you have to have the phelps. >> it is phelps uh phobic. >> they are gay not that anything is wrong withd they will accept olympic swimmer michael phelps. but only if he is dressed while playing. >> you said the church is legally restricting their speech. and i agree. i think the court will agree too. the first amendment expert points out that the court ruled in my favorite case, by the way. >> mine too. >> an outrageousness standard has a refusal for damages to be rewarded because it may have an adverse reaction to the audience. >> that was long, andy. >> i know. and i don't know what it means. basically it means because your speech is outrageous, it doesn't mean it is not protected by the first amendment. i don't know why the court couldn't say that and not the crap i just read. >> it is not the fact that the speech is outrageous. it is where the speech is. it is the right of privacy. >> i believe the funeral in question was in public cemeteries where the phelps was on public land. >> yes, that's correct. >> so you can't restrict them on public land, i don't think. >> you can get your

. >> reporter: fred phelps founded the church.t's got about 60 members, most of them related to him. and he and they preach and proclaim a dark message. god is killing american troops because the country tolerates homosexuality, abortion and many other matters. matthew synder wasn't gay and it was all too much for his father, albert synder. >> all we wanted to do was bury matt with dignity and respect. >> reporter: so, he sued the church. today, the supreme court wrestled with whether to carve out a kind of funeral exception for the first amendment. justice sonia sotomayor challenged the synder family's argument that funerals are private, and they aren't public figures. so, the war protesters that disrupted their funeral can be sued. so, public speech, she said, speech on a public matter, if directed to a private person, should be treated differently under the law? under what theory of the first amendment would we do that? on the other hand, justice ruth bader ginsburg pointedly asked the lawyer for the church, fred phelps' daught

phelps is expected next summer. >> the white house says president obama supports rect attempts by thefghan government to negotiate peace with taliban insurgents. however, the white house press secretary gibbs reiterated taliban leaders must renounls the use of violence and their support for al-queda. a washington post report out today says afghanistan president karzai's government has made contact wi senior taliban officials based in pakistan. gibbs says the president supports a reconciliaon process but it's up to afghan leaders to decide with whom to reconcile. >> rightow in washington d.c., president obama has handed out the nation's highest award for valor. the parents of army staff sergeant robert miller will accept the medal honor from president obama and they have just done so. let's take you live to the white house now for the ceremony. and you can see the president right there with the parents. the harriurg pennsylvania native was leading a patrol of u.s. and afghanistan trps near the pakista border in june 2008 when insurgents open fire. despite being woued twice in the chest

. >> the father of attorney margie phelps is at the center of this fight.he pastor has protested nationwide because they say soldiers fight and died for a country that supports gay rights. one protest occurred. >> conduct was so extreme it went beyond all possible bans of basic human decency. >> the actions led al snyder to sue the church calling their actions harassment but he lost and even had to pay the church $16,000 in attorney fees, outraging many, including "fox news" host bill o'reilly who called into "good morning america" to offer to pay those costs. los gatos mom whose son mark died in the 9/11 attacks organized a counterprotest when pastor phelps picketed in the bay area earlier this year. even though she despises what the church is doing they have a point when it comes to freedom of speech. they have a right do that. i'm not going to try to protest that. i think their speech and their manner condemns them far more than we can by declaring our righteous indignation at their outrageous acts. >> a first amendment expert says if the supreme court r

. >> the peples and the -- the phelps conduct was so extreme it went beyond all bounds of basic human decency. >> reporter: it could take the court six months to decide. at the supreme court, bruce leshan, 9 news now. >> justice alito asked church lawyer and member margie phelps if westboro would follow a grandmother to a bus stop from her grandson's grave and describe in detail how much they love ied's and the damage they do to american troops. phelps insisted they follow no one and they stay 1,000 feet away from the funerals. >>> militants in pakistan are torching tanker trucks filled with supplies in afghanistan. they've attacked six convoys in less than a week. and as the war entered the 10th year this week in afghanistan, there was a report that hamid karzai is holding secret talks with taliban leaders to end the fighting. according to the washington post, the taliban is negotiating a deal to lay down their arms in exchange for a part in the afghan government. they are also demanding the withdrawal after all nato and -- of all nato and u.s. forces. >>> the delay of a first civili

he was not gay. >> the worst thing i fight now is the anger with the phelps for taking away that last moment that matt was on the earth. >> reporter: his father sued and won $5 million in damages but a federal appeals court overturned the ruling on first amendment grounds. while the protests are almost universally seen as distasteful, phelps' position is supported by the american civil liberties union and several media organizations. >> we can't have a legal standard that allows for these multi-million dollar judgments if someone is offended even if it is legitimate. >> reporter: for albert snyder, no amount of money or court decision could give him what he wants most. >> somebody said to me $5 million, i bet you'd give it up to have matt back. i would give it up just to say good-bye. >> reporter: the church is showing no signs of backing down. members plan on holding another protest this morning at arlington national cemetery. and there are also a number of people outside of the supreme court this morning. these are people on both sides of this issue who slept there overnight because

phelps, also a member of the church, said the protesters were there legally, on a public sidewalk, in & in those situations, she said, this court has given substantial, long-standing protection to speech on public issues. the ruling could affect other kinds of speech some people find offensive, like protests in front of abortion clinics. but for al snyder who won a $5 million judgment against the church for invading his privacy, the case is about matthew. >> somebody said to me, "$5 million, i bet you'd give it up to have matt back." i would give it up just to say good-bye. >> reporter: but it was not at all clear after these arguments which way the court would rule. the justices really struggled to balance the rights of the protesters with the rights of the families to be left alone. katie. >> couric: all right, jan crawford at the supreme court, thanks very much, jan. we asked our viewers huthey felt about this issue. from facebook,: in stark contrast to the protests at military funerals, president obama paid tribute today to another american who died serving his country. he present

. >> the phelps and the westborough baptist church conduct was so extreme, it went beyond all possible bounds of basic human decency. >> reporter: inside the supreme court tarbd the justices struggled to decide who was right. at issue-- a fundamental question justice ruth bader ginsburg put directly to church lawyer margie phelps-- why should the first amendment tolerate exploiting this marine's family. phelps, also a member of the church, said the protesters were there legally, on a public sidewalk, in & in those situations, she said, this court has given substantial, long-standing protection to speech on public issues. the ruling could affect other kinds of speech some people find offensive, like protests in front of abortion clinics. but for al snyder who won a $5 million judgment against the church for invading his privacy, the case is about matthew. >> somebody said to me, "$5 million, i bet you'd give it up to have matt back." i would give it up just to say good-bye. >> reporter: but it was not at all clear after these arguments which way the court would rule. the justices really

albert snyder has sued ray phelps for staging a protest at his son's funeral. a court awarded them millions of dollars for that later thrown out by an appeals court. >>> we are watching wall street where the dow is inching closer to the 11,000 mark, pretty flat right now. it has been sort of an up and down morning. analysts pointing to the job market but on the global market, there are emerging economies, talking about china and brazil to possibly outpace our economy here in the united states. timothy geithner says that's why it's important to shore up the economy. >> the gatest risk is that the largest economies underage cheefb in growth, and we believe in the united states we need to continue to provide well targeted support for recovery as we put in place measures to help ensure fiscal responsibility with sustainability over the long term. >>> relatives of the man reportedly killed by pirates plead with mexican authorities to search for his body. his wife says he was shot on falcon lake but mexican officials say they have no way of knowing if the incident to

mocked it the way they are, it is a crime. >> snyder lost his case in court and was forced to pay phelps and his followers. even some who shared his disgust say they are protected by the first amendment. several media organizations have filed briefs siding with the protesters, saying distasteful as the protests are, denying them the right would undermine free speech. >> investigators are trying to see if a crime spree in two northern virginia counties may be linked. a burglar targeted four homes in a wealthy neighborhood. courtney robinson has more. >> four homes burglarized and this will feet deep community in haymarket. that is shocking. >> the people can get through that gate. despite the iron gate, stone walls and surveillance cameras, prince william county officers say burger got in and stole cash from cars -- a burglar got in and stole cash from cars or kitchens. each home has a security system, and the homeowners were inside asleep at the time. this man, who asked to remain anonymous, says it happened at his home. >> each of the homes has 10 acres, so it is easy to move from one h

if you want that to stop, stop sinning. >> now, it's the phelps' contention that u.s. war deaths are caused by god because god is upset at the u.s. for tolerating gay rights. but the court did not seem to buy this public/private thing. what margy phelps today the supreme court today is that it's enough for a parent simply to say i'm proud of my son for serving his country for dying in service to his country, but that makes it a public issue. the court didn't seem to buy that today. thomas, i think many first amendmentec experts thought thi would be a slam dunk for the proposition that even outrageous speech, even speech that is hurtful, even said at a funeral, is still protected by the first amendment. but many of the justices, in fact, i think you could say a majority of the justices seemed willing to try to draw the line. they seemed offended by the speech here, upsetting the dignity of a military funeral, and they're at least willing to see if the line can be drawn that would allow lawsuits like this. >> pete williams, thank you. appreciate it. >> you bet. >>> uncov

no one, i don't care if you're not military, no one should be buried with what the phelps did to them>> reporter: this is a case of free speech versus privacy rights. the court will also weigh in on the case of texas death row inmate hank skinner. skinner says he's innocent of the triple murder he's convicted of committing. skinner argues he has a civil right to request dna testing post-conviction to prove it. >> all the district attorney's go got to do is turn over the evidence and test it. if i'm innocent, i go home. if item guilty, i die. what's so hard about that? >> reporter: the prosecution argues that skinner had his chance to appeal and argue if he wins, it will open the floodgates to frivolous lawsuits clogging the criminal justice system. other high-profile cases include california's attempt to ban the sale of violent games to children, they say it violates the first amendment.they will consider an arizona law cracking down on businesses hiring illegal immigrants. opponents argue federal law trumps state efforts. >> federal government says we have the immigration laws. zone

he was not gay. >> the worst thing in our fight now is the anger with the phelps for taking away thatment that man was here on the earth. >> reporter: matthew's father albert sued and won $5 million in damages. but a federal appeals court overturned the ruling on first amendment grounds. while the protests are distasteful, phelps' position is supported by the american civil liberties union and media. >> we can't have multi-million dollar judgments anytime somebody is offended even if that offense is legitimate. >> reporter: for snyder no amount of money or court decision to give him what he wants most. >> somebody said me to, $5 million i bet you give it up to have matt back. i would give it up just to say good-bye. >> reporter: the church is showing no signs of backing down. members plan on holding another protest this morning at arlington national cemetery. preeti arla for cbs news, washington. >>> 5:40 now. just one day away from the giants' first play-off game in years, and they are starting off strong. the pitching rotation they have in place for the first three games. coming up.

phelps. >> mr. chief justice, may it please the court when members of the west bro baptist church entered an ongoing extensive public discussion and why array of comprehensive activities taking place in direct connection with the deaths and funerals of soldiers killed from iraq and afghanistan, they did so with great circumspection and they did so with an awareness of the boundaries that have been set by the precedence of this court. demonstrations outside the person's home, outside the person's workplace, outside the person's church, saying these kinds of things. you are a war criminal. tartare >> i don't think that person should have a cause of action or would under your case would have a cause >> we did have a doctrine of fighting words and you acknowledged it. if somebody said, you know, things such as that to his face, that wouldn't be protected by the first amendment? >> we agreed that fighting words are less protected under the first amendment. >> unprotected? >> i'll go with unprotected, jus

if the court rules in phelps's favor, congress could step in and pass a law restricting where protestsace without infringing on the right to do so. rob and vinita? >>> secret war negotiations aimed at bringing peace to afghanistan are now reportedly under way. the "washington post" says that for the first time representatives of the taliban are carrying out talks with the afghan government. a comprehensive deal is being considered. it could bring taliban figures into the government and force the exit of u.s. and nato troops. >>> police in mexico are now questioning claims by an american woman that her husband was killed by pirates while jet-skiing near the border. tiffany hartley told police that men on speedboats shot her husband in the head killing him. mexican investigators now say they can't find david hartley's body or the jet-ski. tiffany tells our ryan owens she understands why investigators might think her story is untrue, but she says she would never hurt her husband. you can see the entire interview coming up later today on "good morning america." >>> stocks are up on all the

led by fred phelps. these families feel like this is their private time and that you're invading their time. >> that's too bad, isn't it? >> reporter: we first spoke to phelps in 2006. if a widow came to you and said please stay away from my husband's funeral, would you take that into consideration? >> no. some widow, look, you're partly to blame for him being dead, woman. >> reporter: the day before that interview, phelps disrupted matthew snyder's family in maryland. al snyder was disgusted, telling george stephanopoulos, he had to sue. >> so many people have fought throughout our history. and to have a group of 80 people destroy it and mock it the way they are, it's a crime. >> reporter: but in court, snyder lost. and amazingly was ordered to pay the protesters $16,000, outra outraging many, including fox news host bill o'reilly, who called into "good morning america" offering to pay those costs. >> there is no doubt a crime was committed here and there is no doubt that these people went out of their

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phelps, john ridley., it's all good. explain for a lot of people like me, what is the city like right now and what are the urgent needs years later that still need to be addressed in new orleans? >> well, one thing, people have jobs, they still don't have homes. that's why i decided once i saw katrina, i built two homes with my own money and other people who donated money to me for the second house, which were given to the collins family as well as the elders family. hay do community service work, give back to the community. they didn't have a place to live. there are still a lot of families like that in new orleans who don't have their own home yet. that's the first need. the second need is, we've got to get these schools back on track. it's been five years since katrina and they're still going back and forth with politics and what's right, what's wrong, yet the kids suffer. the third need, to me, has got to be a full service hospital. it's ridiculous when you take a look at what's going on around the wo

phelps did not mention that. i thought it was an incredibly strong president and i'm wondering if maybe you or ms. phelps at some point would comment on whether it would -- why it was not mentioned by her or the justice. host: veronica. california. democrat. caller: good morning. this is what i find the biggest problem with the united states of america but we were founded on christian values. so, viewing the tea party as saying we want to take our country back in the constitution and what not, i think first and foremost being founded on christian values we should look at what the bible states and when we look at this minister, the bible also stays for us that there is going to be false profits and false ministers but we are to go and listen to what people are saying and what is coming out of their mouths. although they disagree with gays and whatever, the bible also states thou shalt not judge of this minister should be teaching these people. one of the biggest sinces. host: lancaster, pennsylvania. what do you t

the phelps continue, mr. schneider has made expansive use of the media and been wildly successful in persuading the entire country that his son is a hero and west borough baptist church is a villian whose words should be ularly disregarded, thereby enjoying all the benefits of a public figure. >> the real clash of fundamental values and the stuff that goes through their -- to the basic core of what our society looks like, so i think that is one of the more interesting case toss watch and justice kagan will be voting in that case and i also think you're going to get an insight into all of their views because i don't think that's going to be a unanimous decision, i think you will get a lot of different opinions about that case. >> reporter: the oral arguments in schneider v phelps, set to occur shortly after 10:00, i will be -- i will be in the court to hear them. martha: we'll talk to you later, james rosen in front of the supreme court. bill we mentioned this, 27 days and counting, huh? midterm, 27 days away.