in our fraternity, phi delta theta as well we hold our students and chapters accountable. if there is a misstep by officers they could be removed removed from membership or eventually depending on the severity of the situation the chapter shut down as well. there is accountability in phi delta theta, that's what students need to be doing holding their students and chapters accountable. >> gentry is the authority of down? >> it is, when fraternity life is done right it is a tremendous life changing experience. i'm a product of that, i had a positive and meaningful fraternity experience and it made me a better person. i often wonder what percentage is doing it right, if i had to guess, 10 to 20%. and 80 to 90% are getting it incredibly wrong. we need to thank you on its head, they are willing to accept mediocrity, and we need to change that, i can assure you all these fraternities were not the priet spots in their organization, they were probably struggling mediocre chapters this had issues before and probably should have been closed a long time ago but they were allowed to

i was initiated into phi delta theta in 1968. i think it is so cool that the president of the phi delt chapter at okolona university -- oklahoma university is a really neat guy who happens to be black. opportunity chapters, they have their own unique personalities their own different -- the sae 's at ou screwed up, but that is not indicative of for trinity's and sororities at large. -- for turner these -- fraternities and sororities at large. host: one of our previous callers said that the more oversight of fraternities and sororities -- would you agree with that and -- if so how? caller: there is. at the university of arkansas, they had behavior about three years ago, that chart -- that caused them to lose their charter. a national fraternity. they had to earn it back. it involved drinking. the national fraternities do have some very strict oversight. i would wager that sae, the national sae what have come down on these guys hard if president doran had not. guest: i want to make sure people understand that sigma alpha epsilon cl

phi delta theta took chol out of their houses years ago. it's more popular than ever. years of questionable management decisions. >> i want to get to that with you, jammelle. we have seen these things all across the country. >> part of me thinks that it's encouraged by the frats own mythology about itself. it celebrates that it was founded in the south. most of its original members fought for the confederacy of the civil war. it has a long southern lineage. a particular kind of southern lineage to put it nicely. if you're holding that up as an integral part of your frat culture, it invites if not these attitudes but the kinds of people that would hold them and enshrine them in the frat's culture. >> does this incident spark real reform? >> we have had this conversation conversation. i'm 53 years old. i went to college a long time ago. we were talking about rape in college when i was there. every year they have the leadership conference on a cruise in cosumel. you want to talk about the problems there? >> i think that question answer itself. thank you both very much. >>

i was initiated into phi delta theta in 1968. i think it is so cool that the president of the phi delt chapter at okolona university -- oklahoma university is a really neat guy who happens to be black. opportunity chapters, they have their own unique personalities their own different -- the sae 's at ou screwed up, but that is not indicative of for trinity's and sororities at large. -- for turner these -- fraternities and sororities at large. host: one of our previous callers said that the more oversight of fraternities and sororities -- would you agree with that and -- if so how? caller: there is. at the university of arkansas, they had behavior about three years ago, that chart -- that caused them to lose their charter. a national fraternity. they had to earn it back. it involved drinking. the national fraternities do have some very strict oversight. i would wager that sae, the national sae what have come down on these guys hard if president doran had not. guest: i want to make sure people understand that sigma alpha epsilon cl

i was initiated into phi delta theta in 1968. i think it is so cool that the president of the phi delt chapter at okolona university -- oklahoma university is a really neat guy who happens to be black. opportunity chapters, they have their own unique personalities their own different -- the sae 's at ou screwed up, but that is not indicative of for trinity's and sororities at large. -- for turner these -- fraternities and sororities at large. host: one of our previous callers said that the more oversight of fraternities and sororities -- would you agree with that and -- if so how? caller: there is. at the university of arkansas, they had behavior about three years ago, that chart -- that caused them to lose their charter. a national fraternity. they had to earn it back. it involved drinking. the national fraternities do have some very strict oversight. i would wager that sae, the national sae what have come down on these guys hard if president doran had not. guest: i want to make sure people understand that sigma alpha epsilon cl

hazing at washington lee university of phi kappa psi and penn state kappa delta row had a private facebooke where members were posting pictures of alleged women passed out. both fraternities were suspended. >> i think it's a group that gets people to engage in more and more extreme behavior and think it's acceptable. >> reporter: one study shows the likelihood of a hate crime on campus increases 8% with each additional fraternity on campus. that's according to research by a professor at the university of california merced. it's not known how many hate crimes were allegedly committed by frat members. then there are the deaths. three in the last year with hazing drug or alcohol abuse is suspected, including at west virginia university where beta bet sfa phi was removed after a pledge died after drinking a bottle of liquor. all of this since 2014. but one fraternity ceo says these incidents only reflect a few bad apples. >> to characterize that or any other bad behavior as common or more common than not, i disagree. with the number of students on campus we are talking over 800,000. it's just