i was phil condott as we said earlier. dennis mullenberg was an engineer when he came in following mcnerney. i remember being full of hope. oh, it's an engineer taking over. and one of the first things he did was he signed a new contract with speer the engineering union they did it very quiet negotiations and came up with his new deal. and i thought wow, that's a great sign, but in fact, otherwise, he just kept very straight strictly to the mcnerney way mcnerney had taking them for 18 months to chicago to be under his wing to be groomed for the role, and i don't think he straight at all from the sort of financial. focus that mcnerney had taught him so muhlenberg comes off has come off very badly in the max saga. why do you think he failed since he he was this energetic engineering guy? why did why feel so badly? yeah, you would think that being an engineer that engineering would would have primacy in the company and and everything. i've been told you know that dennis mullenberg is a great program manager. he's detailed ori