was on the show that day and he did it as a phil donahue show walk around with it his wireless mic and interviewing people about snuffleupagas as if he were big foot, like so many things in the history of "sesame street" they did it with a smile and thought fully, and did it after what is called a curriculum bath where, they will bring in researchers to talk about it, to particular topics, to give the writers a sense, a grounding, educational theory -- in educational theory and sonia has grown, i don't think only from being a cast member of "sesame street," she has also become you a writer for "sesame street" and is one of the people who has been influenced by researchers through the years. and, it is a remarkable process. >> yes? >> back to the meeting in washington. why do you think harold howe was so ready to commit money to this untested idea? you explained his character. >> i think he trusted his gut. i think people were so concerned at that point, about our ignoring of preschoolers. it was a time when, you know, research was emerging about their capabilities, and how much they co

i don't think putting the two candidates together with phil donahue -- i mean, is he still alive? maybe he's been replaced by one of those robots from westwood or something, who knows. but anyway, there's another 1970's reference for you, caller. it's not the debate between the candidates that's important, it's the debate between the supporters of candidate a versus the supporters of candidate b. ultimately there has to be a conversation. there has to be a resolution of important issues. and we've really been stuck since the 1980's in this country. the country is divided and people are shouting at each other over the abyss, over some gap, rather than meeting and talking one-on-one and hashing out these issues and coming to some consensus about some of the major issues facing our country, such as how are we going to pay for the retirement of the baby boom, how are we going to continue to fight the war on terror while balancing that with civil liberties. what about the global warming and the environment? what about education reform? what about the reform of some of these laws that b

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