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. >> at the beginning of the decade, we get the dominance of phil donahue, and that is a maturation of to talk to them in the audience and through the tv screen. >> i'm glad you called. kiss the kids. we'll be back in just a moment. >> if you look at the body of work we've had, you're going to see the '80s there. >> i'm not here to say you're wrong, but let's understand this. when you bring a moral judgment without knowing them, against them for the way that they look, they feel that confirms the reason for their rebellion, if that is what you want to call it. >> he really believed that daytime television needed to talk about the ideas we were thinking about, the issues we were concerned about. >> i don't want to characterize his question, but why don't you get this fixed instead of doing this screwy stuff? >> there is not a single recorded case in history of any transsexual that ever, through psychological treatment, changed. it has never happened yet. >> and we were putting very important people on the program. all kinds of people. gay people. people going to jail. people running for

and joining me is the great phil donahue. >> i look like i just made my first communion right there.oth excited and intimidated. so thank you for being here. it has been a dream come true to get you on the show. i want to ask you about that interview. so you interviewed donald trump in 1987. >> he was on the show three times. >> but this interview came at a very interesting year, in my view, in donald trump's life. he was really pushing the reagan administration to make him sort of russian ambassador. when you spoke to him back then, did you see a potential future president, someone your -- >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> oh, not even in a million years. well, who did? i thought he was a hotdog. and, you know, i kind of gave him a little spitfire. in that interview i said i think i like your father better than you. but he held up all right. i wasn't nasty or mean. but he really -- he reached out. he worked hard to -- he collected celebrities and made a lot of noise and got his name on a lot of buildings. and where were we when that happened? why didn't you think of that, joy? >> well

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