she was being interviewed by phil donahue in those other clips, so let's hear phil donahue describe what that was like. >> we are at war, americans are dying in the pacific. you cannot overstate the contempt, the loathing that we had for those people. and when the supremes said you had to salute and they expelled kids who would not, over 1000. >> thank you, judy, for spending the time to give us this perspective on your story and your family. we appreciated. after every storm there is a calm. time would pass before the situation would change for jehovah's witnesses. but it did come almost exactly 3 years later. something remarkable happened to bring that about. there was a strong indication and we heard it in the presentation that the court was changing her position on this issue of the flag salute and it meant that the majority might actually be in favor of a reversal if there was a new trial. and that opportunity came in early 1942 when they were barred from school. not they were heard by the supreme court in 1943 and by that time public opinion and sentiment had started to change and

said they've been on the air in fact with the iraq war or one of their journalists on air host phil donahue was pushing back against the government's narrative of the iraq war back in two thousand and two and guess what they fired him m.s.n. b.c. fired phil donahue for telling the truth about the iraq war and pushing back against them so the government's narrative they fired him because he got the wrong war right and a memo was then released years later that revealed why they fired him and it was because they feared someone being against the war would tarnish their brand and so they are pushing the war so they push every war m.s.n. b.c. and they in fact they're there and b c's flagship news show meet the press has ike a fact checking segment and it's sponsored by boeing that's literally so they don't see a problem with that m.s.n. b.c. we also want even they wouldn't even let their hosts cover bernie sanders because he was progressive and in fact ed schultz. get fired for covering bernie sanders now they so that what does that tell you that tells you that all the people on the air at m.s.n.

this is what phil donahue said earlier this morning. the barnett decision was uniformly positive. christians set this. this court has cleared up a whole range of cases involving freedom of conscience. all of them an outgrowth of activities of jehovah's witnesses. the constitutional guarantees of religious liberty have been affirmed. you know you have an occasion like this and you tend to overstate things and you might even think this program is really excellent but didn't they all kind of go over the top. let me tell you categorically. the legalist dollars recognized barnett as the single most important decision of the supreme court. for example a professor from harvard set this. he was asked to select the five most important supreme court decisions and of those five which five was the best. he said this. if we had to preserve just one opinion to show some other civilization what american constitutional law is all about i would pick the barnett case. he is not alone. a professor from the university of oklahoma said this. barnett ranks among the most important and enduring supreme

and a few years ago, i had the privilege together with phil donahue, who you just saw the clips on, to meet judith, and to interview lillian gobitas , and that was a thrill for us at the jackson center. and here we are today with an opportunity to revisit this special historical period of time, which resulted in a case which has 75 years from today had tremendous legacy aspects, constitutional jurisprudence extraordinaire. let me introduce them while i have the chance and then we will dive into an interview. as has been mentioned, to my immediate left, judith gobitas klose, the daughter of lillian gobitas, and who was the stage manager, by the way, when phil and i were down in atlanta doing the interview. next to her, and i am thrilled to introduce louise blanton, member of the jehovah's witness, who at age 91, if i can be so bold, but you look terrific! and i'm not sure i should have disclosed that. i may be in trouble here. [laughter] but she lived it. she lived it from literally as a member of the jehovah's witness when the gobitas case came down, having to go to a kingdom school, a

. >> at the beginning of the decade, we get the dominance of phil donahue, and that's sort of a maturatione body of work we've had, you're going to see the '80s there. >> i'm not here to say you're wrong, but let's understand this. when you bring a moral judgment without knowing them, against them for the way that they look, they feel that confirms the reason for their rebellion, if that's what you want to call it. >> he really believed that daytime television needed to talk about the ideas we were thinking about, the issues we were concerned about. >> i don't want to characterize his question, but why don't you get this fixed instead of doing this screwy stuff? >> there's not a single recorded case in history of any transsexual that ever, through psychological treatment, changed. it has never happened yet. >> and we were putting very important people on the program. all kinds of people. gay people. people going to jail. people running for office. sometimes the same people. it was a magic carpet ride. >> you really do paint a very, very grim picture of the sitting president of the united s

. >> everything from mtv to arsenio hall to phil donahue. ♪ >> and get an hour and talk to people ando avoid this prosecutorial culture of the press. to avoid the condensing of remarks to an eight second soundbite or a paragraph in a newspaper. and it worked. ♪ >> the old media and the new media. ♪ too often we are a pvs party in an mtv world -- pbs party in an interview world. it will be hard not to committee gave the issue of the -- the issues. >> how many people will it actually affect? >> i hope only a small number of people. >> do you plan to endorse any of the candidates? mtv news does not wish to endorse any the client. everythingng to keep very unbiased and bipartisan. >> you are getting better a quick answers. >> they told me to want mtv. >> one of the folks in the audience asked about the supreme court appointment. >> i challenge a new generation of young americans to a season of service. tacked on your idealism. -- to act on your idealism. ball opened in inaugural unlike any other. the kids stood up and participated like never before. mtv helped them big time. >> introduced

. >> everything from mtv to arsenio hall to phil donahue. ♪ >> and get an hour and talk to people ando avoid this prosecutorial culture of the press. to avoid the condensing of remarks to an eight second soundbite or a paragraph in a newspaper. and it worked. ♪ >> the old media and the new media. ♪ >> too often we are a pbs party in an mtv world. it will be hard in the mtv generation for people in public life not to communicate the issues on places that young people find a porton -- important. >> how many people will it actually affect? >> i hope only a small number of people. >> do you plan to endorse any of the candidates? >> no, mtv news does not wish to endorse any of the candidates. we had a forum with clinton and we have extended the invitation to bush. we are trying to keep everything very unbiased and bipartisan. >> you are getting better a quick answers. >> that's because of mtv. >> one of the folks in the audience asked about the supreme court appointment. you said mario cuomo of new york. >> i challenge a new generation of young americans to a season of service. to act on y

brian: phil donahue has nothing on bob. way he is working audience. steve: phil is out of the game.ur nation's finest. >> around people that love the flag. love the anthem. stand for the anthem. understand what our country is b it is fantastic. the american people are getting beat up by the lenders and government. they're saying enough. ainsley: sorry we didn't get the birthday cake. >> yes i did. my grandkids loved it. brian: used to hearing him, seeing him, answer your emails. stuff about real estate. today he is in the halloween spirit. >> talking about spooky laws when it comes to trick-or-treating. brian: you're a good-looking bald man. >> i don't know about that, buddy. it looks pretty nasty. steve: you over the last year or so tried to help people keep keys to that i houses. i understand you wound up with key to the city. >> first key to the city. great place to be. great to be in florida. steve: you and your wife go up through las vegas dressed as mr. and mrs. claus. >> it's a great city, with great people that came together. i think the world understands las vegas in such a