. >> at the beginning of the decade, we get the dominance of phil donohue.he audience, through the tv screen. >> i'm glad you called. kiss the kids. >> if you look at the body of work that you had, you'll see the '80s there. i'm not to say you're wrong. but when you bring a moral judgment without knowing them against them for the way they look, they feel that confirms the reason for their rebellion, if that's what you want to call it. >> he really believed that daytime television needed to talk about the ideas we were thinking about, the issues we were concerned about. >> i don't want to characterize his question. why don't you get this fixed instead of doing this screwy stuff? >> there's not a single recorded case in history of any transsexual that ever through psychological treatment changed. it has never happened yet. >> we were putting very important people on the program. all kinds of people. gay people. people going to jail, people running for office. sometimes the same people. it was a magic carpet ride. >> you really do paint a grim picture of the si