. >> we get the dominance of phil donohue and that maturation of women's issues and he seemed to talkce, through the tv screen. >> i'm glad you called, kiss the kids. we'll be back in just a moment. >> if you look at the body of work we've had, you know, you're going to see the '80s there. >> i'm not here to say you're wrong. but let's understand this. when you bring a moral judgment without knowing them against them for the way that they look they feel that confirms the reason for their rebellion, if that's what you want to call it. >> he really believed that daytime television needed to talk about the ideas we were thinking about, the issues we were concerned about. >> i don't want to characterize his question, but why don't you get this fixed instead of doing this screwy stuff. >> there's not a single recorded case in history of any transexual that ever through psychological treatment changed. >> and we were putting very important people on the program. all kinds of people. gay people, people going to jail. people running for office. sometimes the same people. it was a magic carpet