am right mentioned, it will be vice president campbell, a harris's national security team led by phil gordon as he was with her over the weekend that she met with arrow bleeders. and now this conversation is continuing with the is really counter parts now. and as part of this conversation very quickly, serial it have 5 components and i called the 5 knows the united states says that essentially what they're hoping, postwar garza will look like will be 5 principles, no force displacement for palestinians, no re occupation, no blockade, no reduction to territory and no use of gaza as a platform for what the united states calls terrorism. so they do have a kind of a formulation of what they want it to look like. but of course, these really have said that they have their own ideas and try to get those to mel this the challenge. absolutely. kimberly how get reporting from the washington dc. thank you very much for that. kimberly is still a head on alpha 0 accused of complicity and the killing of civilians will tell you why the dutch government is being taken to court the color we will have quite t

it's a white house, the guys and it's coming from come to horace's office has security advisor, phil gordon is in town. he wants to discuss the day off that he's echoing words, but we had the vice president come all the harris took about in due by this tremendous amount of price it out from the americans. not just to think about the military operation that is going on right now, but they won't is raised to think about the day off the, on the very clear as well. nobody occupies nope, causing the displacement of cause i'm limiting civilian casualties. but we don't know how much influence if i going to have on these, right, these, these, right, these have been very clear and just very quickly for a wrap up on this particular point. there's some very interesting analysis going on in is really media. the prime minister benjamin netanyahu is reading himself to blame the americans in case this old files for not letting him fight the war in the way he saw fit. he's already leaking to various trusted journalists. he has within these really media saying that the americans are limiting and all of that

did you convey that message to phil gordon? what else did he say in that meeting? >> so, you know, the israeli government has two goals in front of it. one is the destruction of the hamas and the second is the release of the hostages. there is a distinction between important and urgent e. i have been walking around with this, phil -- can you see? >> yes. >> this is urgent. each day that passes by, each hostage slowly dies of it. and this is a humanitarian crisis, the u.s. hostages, especially the red cross not able to visit what is the condition of the hostages to provide medical attention. and, yes, there is also a humanitarian crisis on the palestinian side where the palestinians are being held by the terrorist organization hamas. and hundreds of palestinians are dying each day. we urge the united states to lead and solve this humanitarian crisis where the u.s. would represent the hostages and qatar would represent the palestinian people and the humanitarian crisis. come up with a deal. make that deal acceptable to both israel and hamas. the humanitarian crisis,

among the americans the vice presidents top national security advisor phil gordon, who was with kamalas in dubai at the weekend for her meetings with the arab leaders. they will be meeting with israeli top security officials as well as the palestinian president mahmoud abbas. philip, cani philip, can i just philip, can ijust pick up on that? the israelis say they don't want the job of securing gaza, arab nations are resisting, palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas said he might volunteerfor it. president mahmoud abbas said he might volunteer for it. there's a range of unsatisfactory options here. what do you think should take place next? here. what do you think should take lace next? . �* , here. what do you think should take place next?— place next? that's the question all the --eole place next? that's the question all the peeple are _ place next? that's the question all the people are searching _ place next? that's the question all the people are searching for, - the people are searching for, really. the initiative at the moment is of the israeli military. it sounds like they

and what we know is that her national security advisor, phil gordon, is meeting with his is really counterparts. the reason for this is that the united states is already starting to explore with the israelis what post governance in gaza looks like. now. we are having those conversations. israel says that it is not willing to have him, us running it as it has been previously or the palestinian authority even if it is a revival as palestinian authority. and so the united states is also exploring the option of perhaps some sort of international body. but so far, many of these have been the ideas that have not been welcomed by the as rarely still the united states is presenting this discussion and they're also doing it with 5 key principles. and that is no force displacement, no reaku patient, no blockade, no reduction of territory. and also that gaza should no longer the eyes of the united states. and israel be used for any stage in ground for any future types of attacks against israel. kimberly thinks about to can be held at the, at the white house. let's talk zone up randall together without 0 s

overseeing that policy for the vice president common le harris and you as you mentioned, his name is phil gordon, of the vice president was accompanying him as they met with arab leaders over the weekend, she says returned to the white house, but he has carried on to meet with his is really counterparts. and the reason is because there is a desire of the united states to work with the israelis to begin those discussions of what the post gaza conflict in terms of israel's war and ga. so it looks like in terms of governance. so the united states has one idea, israel has another and they're trying to kind of work on what would be a future. and of course include the vision of the policy, the people as well. we know that the palestinian people, at least some of them are wild about the palestinian authority. being in charge of the is really is, are not wild about that idea either. the united states thinks a revitalized policy authority might be something worth looking into, or even some sort of international type governance. so these are all conversations that are going to be lengthy, but the white ho

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