let me bring in phil holloway. you have had a chance to listen to the presentation by the u.s. attorney damian williams in the southern district of new york. what is your take on it? >> i also believe like jonathan said it is a breathtaking indictment. i have had time to look at more of it since we last spoke. one of the things that jumps out to me, martha, is with respect to nadine menendez and this $60,000 mercedes. what they are saying is that nadine menendez was sending text messages back and forth with defendant uribe and with her husband about this thing and they have evidence that he gave cash to her to help make that down payment. she allegedly lied to get a consumer loan for the rest of it and that uribe went and actually made the payments on that to help disguise the way that they got this. so they clearly went out of their way to try to hide what they did but they did a terrible job of hiding it. to jonathan's point earlier about the prior case that ended in a mistrial, i do think it might be unlikely that prosecutors can tell a jury about the allegations in that cas

tom dupree, phil holloway, gentleman, great to have you.upree formerly of the justice department. you see something like this float past your desk and what is your initial reaction? >> my initial reaction is this is breathtaking what we read here in this indictment. this is to me absolutely stunning, the gravity of the alleged corruption, the scope of the alleged corruption. this is 40 pages of straight up old school fraud, bribery, extortion. i am stunned he was able to get away with this scheme for so long. if there is an explanation it escapes me. the picture the u.s. attorney paints in this indictment is absolutely overwhelming. >> harris: are you stunned? senator bob menendez, federal investigators have targeted again the third time since he entered the senate nearly 20 years ago. his political career in new jersey is long spanning as i mentioned five decades. and it includes more than its fair share of corruption allegations. these all seem to be from the same bucket, phil. is there a connection? what's the statute of limitations? wha

we kept phil holloway to help us understand. the strategic benefit for the lawyers who want to go first with a speedy trial? i understand wanting to delay because maybe you get to see what that case is all about or you want to push it until after the election? >> dana, it's simple. if you file a statutory demand for speedy trial, which is a creature of georgia law, unique to georgia and the prosecutor does not get the defendant tried within a very short window of time. in this case it's like by the first week of november, then a not guilty is entered. it is an absolute acquittal. when you have all this massive discovery and the lawyers won't have time to go through all of it between now and october 23rd, it is sort of like going for it on fourth down. if you make it, that's great and you are the hero coach. but of course if it doesn't succeed, you are the villain. a big gamble but a great benefit for the defendants. one thing that the district attorney needs to be looking out for. the remaining defendants have an additional peri

attorney phil holloway, david asman. sandra: that friday feeling starting to settle in. "wall street journal" reports more employees are rushing out the door at the end of the workday rather than attending a happy hour with co-workers. studies show young adults are driving the change. a survey shows 62% of americans 18 to 34 drink down 10% from 20 years ago. i have a theory on this. maybe hopeful. i think there is more people who now get out of work and they go to a yoga class or go to the gym and that's more of a social activity. i hope maybe it's a healthier trend than happy hour, not sure. optimistic. >> bill: i don't think new york has a drinking problem. i don't think it has ever stopped. bar on every block. let's go to space now. nasa says there is no evidence that ufos are alien space ships touching down on earth according to the agency's studies on uaps. jim, nice to see you again. thanks for coming back here. they got 16 experts together starting in june of 2022 and they concluded what? >> well, they did conclud

phil holloway is joining me by phone.s what you anticipated and how hard is it for prosecutors to get a guilty movement on him? he says he is not guilty. what do they have to prove? >> great to be with you, of course. he is no stranger to these initial appearances. these are sort of proforma. they go according to the same plan. it is not surprising that he is allowed to travel for official purposes. at this stage, the federal magistrate who does these things understand that everybody is presumed innocent and they will treat them that way. the entry of a not guilty plea does not mean he will never change that plea to a guilty, perhaps if he works out a plea deal. at this point before discovery has been provided and all of those things that the defense team is going to need to be ready, the entry of a not guilty plea preserves all of his legal and procedural rights so that the discovery process can go forward and if it goes far enough, even of course a trial. at any point prior to a trial, the plea could be changed to a ple

phil holloway is an attorney out of atlanta, georgia.e us your top line observation as you read this? >> great to be with you. my take is a little bit different than professor turley's. i believe that the district attorney's office was much more of a player, so to speak, in terms of this final report released by the investigative grand jury. it is not a whole lot different than a traditional grand jury. the prosecutor controls everything. the prosecutor is their legal advisor and answers legal questions and the prosecutor picks and chooses what witnesss to suggest they bring in. i agree with jonathan that the investigative grand jury appeared to be out of control. they wanted to indict current and former senators, lindsey graham, david perdue, kelly leffler and others including michael flynn. so i suspect that the district attorney is more responsible for this final product than the grand jury says that she is. nevertheless, dana's question earlier this is a big news story in atlanta but as jonathan said there isn't a protest. it's a ver