i think -- phil holloway is with me. phil, i think you said there is no forgiveness, if you will, from federal charges. you had a better word. >> there is no parole in the federal system. you were asking about how much time he could be facing. sentencing guidelines are guidelines but as a practical matter they are pretty much followed. if you have a situation where there is no plea deal and where someone refuses to accept responsibility, that is a big factor that weighs in favor of a lengthier sentence. so the federal system is very unforgiving in many ways but in particular in that way. one of the things i noted from the presser we've been watching, adams is very careful, i think, in his words. he simply says i did not do this. i did not do that and the other things i've been charged with. he didn't get into a lot of detail. he has been coached by his legal team. that being said, i would feel very uncomfortable if i was representing a client out there answering media questions like this about a pending indictment. that's

phil holloway, former assistant d.a. joins us from atlanta, georgia. time in your state, phil. what are they up against? >> good morning, guys. great to be with you although i'm sorry it is on such a sad subject. you know, what you just saw was the initial appearance within a short period of time, a day or so. everyone who is arrested and held without bond has to be informed what the charges are and what the range of punishment is. the judge corrected that. he is a minor and does not face the death penalty. the father who we will see coming up in court later on is facing different charges. now his charges are grounded in criminal negligence, which is something more than ordinary negligence. it is an extreme recklessness or carelessness without regard to people's lives and safety. so it is very fact dependent. right now we don't know all the facts but the charges, the second degree murder in particular, he has two counts of those, i understand. each one of those carries up to 30 years. minimum i think of ten not including the other charges. so both of th

. >> harris: in "focus" phil holloway former assistant district attorney. phil, he is confident, the president of the united states is confident his son did nothing wrong. you, however, i understand feel like it is a foregone conclusion that he did something wrong. >> well of course, good morning, harris, great to be with you. everybody knows that hookers, porn and crack cocaine are not legitimate tax deductions, business writeoffs. that's what the government said he tried to do. the math issue. they know how much money that he made. they know how much money he owed and they know how much money he, according to the government, illegally deducted from his tax returns. so i think if you look at it like that, mathematically speaking, harris, guilt or innocence should be a foregone conclusion. but they are going the try to get jury nullification. they will try to get at least one juror to feel sorry for hunter biden because he was a victim of his addiction. so they are trying to get in all of that kind of thing. i think the judge is going to tamp it down. that's