. >> i talked with phil morris about this, in retrospect, seeing how entrenched this film has become,e feels he probably should have come forward. >> we set out to verify morris' story and found bob heironimus who says he is the man in the bigfoot costume. they have since become friends. >> he said patterson told him to walk like a gorilla. bob was a rodeo cowboy. he had no idea what a gorilla should walk like. so he walked like a normal person walking down the street, kind of waved his arms back and forth and thought that was real show business. >> bob has the size, the gait to be bigfoot, to give it life. and i think this is important. there are people still living who remember seeing a bigfoot suit in the trunk of bob's mother's car. when it comes down to it, it's hard to improve upon phil morris as the source of the costume, bob heironimus as the guy in the bigfoot suit, and roger patterson as producer, director, and whatever else of this film. >> just as patterson stood by his story, so too does morris. >> rick baker, who is an academy award winner eight times, said to me one tim

phil do you want to say anything? >> i'll be quick. i'm not a fan of the term triangulation. >> dick morris actually -- >> i think he gives the impression of the process that people go through. i think from the president's standpoint right now the number he should care about isn't 60. the number for the president i'm operating from a substance standpoint i will leave the political calculations for everybody else but the numbers that matter to the president are 34 and 146 and because if the president focuses on that any has the ability to a disproportionate influence in the process. those are the numbers he needs to sustain a veto. the president is a negotiation with senate the senate republican leadership and as luck would have doing substantively that he has the ability of assuming he continues have good relations with democratic senators democratic house members to the have a disproportionate influence in the process which is what it's a good thing to be president. we can talk about this more later, but it's a sub issue that's complicated and sometimes i'm doing this from president obama's perspective now. sometimes the interest of ho