i want to bring in our correspondents and experts to discuss, and phil mudd, this has been a long goal of these terror groups, whether isis, aqap, al qaeda, the airplanian peninsula, al shabaab to figure out a way to get another bomb on to a plane and blow it up, but it looks like they have got a much more sophisticated capability now. >> that's right. if you look how their opportunities are narrowing over time. years ago when you and i had to through a metal detector and after 9/11 you had to take your shoes off. that was richard reid and after a liquids plot in 2005 in the uk you couldn't bring water bottles on and a month ago as barbara pointed out earlier this month you had intelligence agencies starting to say and the u.s. government starting to say with the brits you can't bring on a laptop. as we looked at that a month ago and we investigated that there's only one reason if you're a u.s. intelligence officer or in homeland security you would say that, and you're picking up intelligence that the opposite, that is isis and al qaeda, are saying, we don't have that many options left

>> i'll have phil mudd walk us through this foreign intercepts, incidental collection in just a moment. this is a big deal coming at such a sensitive moment, 2 1/2 weeks after the president tweeted against the former president, making those unsubstantiated allegations against president obama. >> wolf, basically adam schiff, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, just told the american people, you can't trust what's coming out of this committee on this hugely important investigation. that's basically what he just said. they're not going to be able to hold an actual independent real thorough investigation. so, now if you're an american at home watching all this information, watching jim comey testify on monday and you're wondering what's going on, you are now being told by the number two on the committee here, don't trust this committee. so, now i guess people are going to have to look to the senate intel committee, maybe there will be a head of steam, i don't know -- an independent commission is going to be difficult for republicans in congress to move on. what we saw e

let me quickly go back to phil mudd.esident's senior adviser, son-in-law jared kushner, will be interviewed by the senate intelligence committee about his contacts with russian officials, including the ambassador as well as contacts with a top russian official of a major russian bank that actually has been sanctioned by the u.s. do. those meetings concern you? >> i wouldn't say concern. i do believe they mean that he should be questioned. i don't think he should be questioned by the committee, and let me explain why. in terms of concern. obviously the fbi has said to us that they have an open investigation about what happened during the election, and we had the president's national security adviser general flynn resign because he was embarrassed to tell his boss, the vice president, that he'd had an inappropriate conversation with the russian ambassador about sanctions. in that swirl i think it's fair to ask what was going on with campaign officials including the some of the president and let's talk to him. however, the

we have cia counterterrorism official and cia counterterrorism analyst, phil mudd, and author of "deep show. the suggestion by the fbi director that putin/russia's motivation was they hated clinton, and it was all about hating clinton, and do you believe that? >> he said that and i heard him say that and he didn't have a proof. this -- if there is proof it has not come out. >> i very much agree with the ambassador you had on, mr. pickering, and it's all about destabilizing and creating noise and it's all about, you know, doing as much as possible to upset our democratic process, however you do it, and wherever that leads. i don't think it was so much an attempt to influence the election one way or another because the ambassador also said it could easily back fire, and as we look at this right now it could be backfiring if -- our president might not be inclined to be with the russians as he might be before. >> he certainly seems to be trying to be friendly, and he is laying the background for that, and what do you think, hey, they are going to do this again and it could be worse in the

should it be called out, phil mudd? >> it should be.ke rogers is actually right, it may be the first time and the last time on "new day." >> a rare group you've gotten into. when mudd attacks you -- >> there's a reason his name is mudd. >> let me break this down quickly. this is about democrats and republicans. democrats are talking about collusion. i think the fbi should be investigating collusion and determining whether with the department of justice there should be charges. republicans are talking about who was wiretapped, whether the unmasking of names is appropriate and whether names were leaked. fair questions, not questions the americans should have. the americans should be asking not only what happened with russian interference as mike was talking about, but how we secure the next elections. for example, should the federal government including the fbi have a role in going to candidates saying we're going to help you secure your servers? instead we hear a democrat going to the microphone every time he reads intelligence, a republ

phil mudd, where is the timing of all this? using the authorization of the use of military force from 2001. there is a congressional component about them not owning the constitutional duty when it comes to war and war acts. then you have the functional approach of what's going on in iraq right now. this most recent horrible outcome with the civilians getting killed. according to military sources, they were taking the cues from the iraqis. these are the targets. you know the intel methods over there and what the reliability is. do you think that is a recipe for success? go >> i don't. i believe congress should talk about this. we have a bigger question. we keep talking about military solutions. there is an end game solution that dave was talking about earlier. you can look at the president's plan of one simple question a practice ti practitioner would ask. who owns the territory? we're the away team. classic strategy, the home team, iraqis and syrians have to own it. if we expand a u.s. military presence, my question 14 years af

let's bring in our experts and phil mudd, let me start with you.spent some time at the cia but the fbi as well. if, in fact, what the president trump is saying is true, it would have involved the fbi in some sort of massive conspiracy. what is your thoughts on all of this and how are fbi agents going to react to this really serious accusation? >> you know, wolf, there are mixed views from my friends across government. most of the people i speak with are transitioning to seeing this man as the president of the united states to a circumstans . he's alleging that the fbi conspired with another branch of government, the judiciary, the fisa court would have to approve this in a huge conspiracy. if that's not correct, he's alleging that the former president conducted a felonious vie liegs that exceeds that we sue in watergate. the conversation has to transition to what we understand what the president of the united states says to understanding these are circus clown remarks. we have an iran nuclear deal that he said he would tear up. we don't talk about.

phil mudd, you're still with us.t to get your reaction to something that the president said last night about the fight against isis in iraq. listen to this. >> we're doing very well in iraq. our soldiers are fighting and fighting like never before, and the results are very, very good, so i just wanted to let everyone know. >> all right. he says the results are very, very good. our soldiers are fighting and fighting like never before, but, remember, the u.s. has been -- has had troops in iraq, what, since 2003, since the second gulf war that liberated iraq from saddam hussein, and, what, we lost about 3,000 u.s. troops, tens of thousands came home severely injured. we used to have 150,000 troops fighting there. the point that he's saying they are fighting like never before, your reaction? >> that's a setup. i suppose -- i haven't been around for 50 years, wolf, surprisingly, but i suspect every president in the history of the united states has done this hand that's claim credit for stuff he hasn't done. isis made prog

also phil mudd. and cnn political director david chalian. maggie, you heard that reporting. would seem to underscore why the fbi is investigating coordination between the trump campaign and russians. >> i think two things are happening. that information suggests there is a basis for what the fbi is doing, why they are trying to get to what was at the heart of these contacts. we still don't know what they were. also the second piece of it is that as you have sort of a chess game going on where you have nunes from the house committee, the republican chairman tell reporters today there is some intelligence that suggests that trump campaign aides maiy have been intercepted by ways that president trump said, president obama. now the russia aspect. the russian question remains unsolved. it is still not clear what we're looking at, the skoem. we know the figures involved and they were looking at communications and travel it sounds like in meetings which we basically knew. but this is becoming a low-grade fever that shows no sign of breaking for this administration. and that's very

let's discuss with analyst and former cia official phil mudd and we have mike rogers.ould you give mike flynn immunity? >> not if there were an fbi criminal investigation. i just think you will work at cross purposes to what is probably an already difficult job for the fbi. i would not come out and offer that immunity. i would offer him to testify. >> what if he says he is not going to testify without immunity? how do you get to the story he wants to tell? >> you have to let the fbi have the first run at this. if the articles are correct, they also asked the fbi for immunity as well. listen, the more this stew starts to take flavor, it is clear if flynn was lying to the vice president, he percenta jep himself. you know, what you find is that in a lot of the cases, more often than not, the defense attorney wants it more than the defendant. they oversell what they can provide because they are worried about something. there's a lot to this that has to be worked through. when the committee does that, it puts some parts of the investigation in jeopardy. i wouldn't do that.

we have phil mudd, former cia terrorism official all joining us this morning to talk more about the big good morning. >> good morning. >> eugene, let me start with you. the fbi's testimony on the russian investigation and president trump's claim on wiretapping will be clear. is director combing feeling the pressure? >> he has the desire to prove the integrity and credibility of his agency and they have operated legally and did not compromise ethics, and as president trump's tweet suggested he's expected to make it clear that there is no evidence to support the claim that president obama had intelligence agencies wiretap trump to ywer during the electi, and what they want to hear is what they have been focused on since the election. >> and a former security to biden made strong claims, there are only two conclusions that could come from these hearings, and first let me play it and then i want you to give your reaction. >> one of two things is true, and either he knows it's wrong and he is lying about a national security issue in which case it will be hard to trust him going forward or he

. >> you know that the accusations leveled against the president right now, phil mudd, he is doing allf this to try to change the subject from what is clearly a much bigger issue, the criminal investigation into alleged contacts or connections between trump associates and russians during the campaign. >> accusations, wolf. it sounds like a fact to me. from day one we had the president of the united states suggesting some of the hacking the russians have done could have been a 400 pounding person in their basement. he want on to accuse the fbi and cia of being politicized and compared cia activities to nazi germany. then we had the accusation that the former president of the united states was involved in wire tapping trump tower. now diversion into personal attacks on members of his own party. i think what we have to go back to for every high school student in a civics class in america, what we saw from the senate intelligence committee yesterday. that is the chairman and the vice chairman getting back and saying, we're here to talk about how an american election for american citizens w

. >> adam schiff, phil mudd, says he worries that the house intelligence committee investigation will not fair given the behavior of the chairman. it was supposed to be nonpartisan, bipartisan, if you will, but he fears that is an illusion and it may be time for an independent commission. would that help? >> i think that makes sense to me. look, make it even simpler, take the names out. take the committees out. the judicial branch of government in our system is looking over an intelligence investigation, democrats and republicans, they're getting highly sensitive information, some of it relates to the executive branch. in this case the executive branch, the president of the united states and advisers. they have an umbrella, they talk to each other -- >> you mean the legislative branch. >> right. i'm sorry. what do we have today? one branch of government goes %-p investigation, without talking to the counterpart? i think you have to step back and say how do we confirm this is a fair oversight when the first conversation isn't with the economy but the white house. >> where do we go from

phil mudd, i want your thoughts.a sudden, we're learning lots of incidental collection of intelligence. this has been a huge development right now, that's causing an enormous amount of concern. >> it is a huge development. but from an intelligence insider, what we're learning about how the u.s. government collects intelligence is nothing new for decades. i think the fascinating part of this over the last day or so is this question about whether this committee should continue to investigate after what we saw about devon nunes approaching the white house. and i think a lot of people will step back and say he apologized, that's enough. my view, not so much. let me tell you something. we have a conversation in this country about how we approach the next election and whether we can vote free and fair. what have we heard in the last 30 days? who leaked what when? what was unmasked about u.s. persons who are collected in intelligence? does this affect our perception of whether the american president was elected appropriatel

phil mudd, the white house press secretary sean spicer, he once again refused to provide any backup,y evidence at all to this assertion that the president made in those tweets saturday morning. does that suggest to you there really is no evidence to back up what the president claims the former president did? >> come on, wolf. it's not an assertion. it's a lie. and the trump chump in chief, that's the spokesman, has to defend his boss. we went through the beginning of this where the president lied about accusations that the former president wasn't an american citizen. he lied when he said he'd rip up the iran nuclear deal. he lied when he said he'd lock up hillary clinton. he lied when he said he'd reinstate waterboarding. he lied about the size of his crowd at the inauguration. we've seen lies that are now regarded as accusations. let me ask one question to mr. spicer that nobody's asked. the predecessor republican, george bush, democrat, barack obama, met repeatedly typically weekly with their fbi director to discuss what mr. spicer says is the top concern of the president of the un

phil mudd, mary katherine ham, dana bash, and mike rogers, kiersten powers, paul bigala and jack kingstonchairman rogers, you know the house intelligence committee quite well as former chairman. what did you make of today's hearing? >> i thought it was a swing and a miss for a couple of problems. one, we never talked about why the russians engaged in any way, shape, or form in an operation to influence american election, it was a bad idea. the democrats took their track of laying out in the court of public opinion why they felt certain trump officials were guilty and trump was guilty, that wasn't the purpose of the hearing. and the republicans spent a lot of time talking about the leaks themselves. so i thought it was a real loss to the american public, where they could have been schooled or educated or at least exposed to information that they might not be familiar with about how aggressive the russians have been and are. >> there were some questions about sort of russian strategy, disinformation and things like that. >> clearly, if you look at the news cycle, that was not the news, that

. >> phil mudd, how typical do these meetings seem to be to you or atypical?> i don't view these as particularly significant. let me tell you why. let's say the trump team comes into office after inauguration and somebody says what do you think about nato, and iran and the deal with iran, and the trump team says we're uncomfortable meeting with the russians and the russian ambassador so we've got to start from ground zero. i as a voter would not be comfortable with that story. we're missing a key piece, and i hope that brian todd asks the question. put this in perspective for me. two ways, the trump team met with the russians, the chinese, the saudis, the indians, the pakistanis, the germans. i would stand back and say jeff sessions, a couple of meetings with the us ares, no big deal. that's what the campaign did. let's ask the prospective question and somebody says, wow, the only people they met consistently with, they were the russians. depending on the context, wolf, how significant this is takes on different colors. i'm waiting for more answers. >> why den

now phil mudd. you heard that. can the house intel committee complete a fair investigation with all these questions? >> heck. no. i think they're cooked and i think they've been cooked for a week or two. there's two questions. a primary question and that is twhapd to russian interference in the elections. and how do we secure the next elections? we got two members of the committee, the chairman and the ranking democrat who can't speak with each other without getting in front of a microphone. devin nunes talks about it to the media. that individual, nunes goes to the whourks not only the white house but the target of part of the fbi investigation and reveals that information to the white house before talking to other committee members. >> and not giving in to the committee. just emphasizing. he hasn't given it to them yet. >> you want to tell me this game's not rigged? whatever happened to the russian investigation? and people like jared kushner, why shouldn't the fbi conduct an investigation to have people they hav

we have our counterterrorism expert, phil mudd. we want to does him, what is behind it. the device on your hand or your wall or smart tvs and spy on us. >> we have seen hackers security experts have told me to put a post it note on the camera on top of your camera so people can't turn it on. in many cases people say it's a criminal trying to do that. >> unnamed sources. don't buy it. >> all right. kuo k chris cuomo, nice to see you. >> and also russia's tie in this. >>> a new statue in wall street this morning. you have seen this little girl? this young girl standing defiantly in one of the most defiance roles of capitalism. but i still push myself to the limit. if it weren't for my tempur-pedic, i wouldn't be able to sleep on my left side at all. my unit put in a special request to get one and i realized that tempur-pedic was exponentially better than anything else. it gave me a huge performance advantage, it still does. tempur-pedic. this sleep is power. new neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair wrinkles? your time is up! with the proven power of retinol. reduces wrinkles i

phil mudd, as you know, the white house says president trump feels extremely confident, those are theress secretary, he'll be vindicated in the wiretapping claims he's made against president obama. do you believe that? >> i don't. i don't have any belief in that. i think quite the opposite. look, let's take a number of pieces of this, wolf. number one, the current president of the united states accused his predecessor on twitter of violating federal law. if that weren't enough, and i don't believe that for a moment, you'd have to have a huge conspiracy in the white house to do that. not a single white house person has spoken about this in a washington that leaks every day. you'd also have to have an ironclad fbi that never spoke about an illegal operation up in new york city at trump tower. and a department of justice that ov oversees the fbi that would legalize that operation. if you want to tell me about a conspiracy of the fbi in the white house in a wash that leaks every day that held this story tight while the president made this accusation for two weeks, no way. one quick second

cnn counter terror analyst phil mudd, crook shank, mike rogers, cnn senior international correspondentssa ward and sim cox, thanks one and all for being here. phil, this does bear a lot of hallmarks of the isis inspired or instructed attacks that we've seen in the past year or so. >> it does. we have to take a couple steps here. first they are talking about this as a counter terrorism investigation. i want to see facts. the reason you refer to that phrase is you want to assume first that it's not just an individual. maybe there is a network. you have to stop that network. it doesn't mean that the metropolitan police in london believe it's terrorism yet. let's assume that it is, that we determine this over the next hour or two, it shouldn't take that long. i think we ought to step back and say, if you look at the isis core in iraq and syria under tremendous pressure, there is continuing pressure even this week in raka, this would be an indication to me that the core does not have the capability to inspire people to conduct attacks like al qaeda. it has the capability to get somebody, ma

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