phil mudd, i imagine you want to react. >> profitable, paris? when i'm required to sit on an advisory board, let me ask you one question, how much do you think i'm paid to do that at the request of the u.s. government? give me one answer, and you've got ten seconds? how much. >> i'll ask you a question. how much are you paid for your contracting gig. >> i have no contracts with the u.s. government that pay money. zero. >> and this is the thing. >> the u.s. government -- >> phil, let's be honest. >> that's it. >> i'm not talking about your role with the federal government. >> oh, who are you talking about? are you talking general hayden? >> the consulting firms that they form and you all get is because you get more money when having a consultant, for having the security clearance. stop acting like that doesn't happen. >> have i zero consulting relationships with the u.s. government. zero. >> i'm not talking -- phil, that's a good talking point. i'm talking the private sector. >> have i zero relationships with the private sector that involve my se

phil mudd says he can feed your mind on this in just three points. feed your mind. t i meant, phil. don't make that face. it made sense. next. >>> so the kim regime in north >>> so the kim regime in north korea is now calling american proposals to give up its nuclear weapons gangster-like. that's not good. let's discuss it with cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd who is here. you say you can take care of this, clarify in three points, and they go to pace, posture, and progress. let's start with pace. is this the way it usually goes, that it seems ugly early? >> no way. look, you got to go into this with an understanding of what your adversary wants. in this case we went in misunderstanding our adversary. we go in with what we call a rational actor, model, chris. that is he can't feed his own people. he must be willing to give up nukes so we can relieve sanctions and he can feed his own people. kim is sitting there saying, if they want this so bad, they must be willing to give me something up front, and we of course said no. we both went in with a common problem. w

passion that phil mudd had dedicated, passion that phil mudd had channeled to service of his country over the course of deca decades. but what we've seen from the president is not an understanding that security clearances are not something that go only to your defenders, to your champions. these are what former officials have so that they can consult, they can share their knowledge, they can work and continue to work on the hardest, the most challenging problems we face as a nation with their current colleagues. with those who remain in the intelligence community. in the law enforcement community. but you're absolutely right. this president sees it as a political reward and he is seeing the removal of security clearance as punishment, as a chilling signal to all of those, all of those who would criticize him and who would find fault with what he is doing, and frankly, that borders on autocratic tendencies. >> ned price, thank you. susan and mark are going to stay with us. up next, new evidence of russia trying to hack our political system. this time, targeting conservative think tank

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i want to go to phil mudd first, because you're on this list of 60 former cia officers who, i guess,oining forces with these other community leaders that we have seen from both parties, saying this is not right what the president has been doing, revoking security clearances, why did you sign on with this and what is the message from folks like yourself? >> pretty simple. yesterday you saw the former faces of the intelligence community, people who did congressional testimony, people who might have appeared in clips on cnn. today you're seeing the people behind them. my peers, the people of my generation and there's one simple reason dozens of us signed up. there's republicans, democrats, people across the cia signed on to this letter that just came out. when i spent my career, we looked at adversaries an potential adversaries, china, russia, china, one of the characteristics of those adversaries or potential adversaries, people like vladimir putin tried to prevent their opponents from speaking and they used legal and illegal means to do so. it the president can call us dogs, he will n

just tonight, phil mudd, career cia officer was in a debate segment on cnn. the president didn't like it, tweeted against him and is asking aloud whether or not his clearance should be revoked on twitter. are we all going after this giant shiny object of security clearance? >> this is the president's new toy. he is certainly drawn to things. so frustrated with how washington works, even with controlling both houses of congress, the members of his own staff telling him no. much like presidential pardons, he's realized security clearances can revoked by him alone. just remember his order the strip brennans was actually drafted multiple weeks before it was issued. brennan's is more complicated. sometimes with this president, it is hard to know what is strategic. he has long had a problem with brennan. he has long had a vendetta against him for quite some time. this president is sensitive to anyone who publicly criticizes him. particularly on television. so that's part of it. the other part is he realize that's brennan with his attachment to the deep state, with

. >> phil mudd said this was a pr stunt. i know you know phil. he put it very bluntly. is. >> let's be clear. that was not a security meeting yesterday. >> so that was a pr stunt to your mind? >> that was a pr stunt. give me a break, yes. they got used. >> do you agree? >> well, i think i take issue a little bit with my good friend phil mudd on this. i thought it was pretty compelling to have -- i mean, yeah, it had a pr aura about it just because it was in the white house press room but i thought the messages that were conveyed all down the line by the heavy artillery in the national security arena was pretty compelling. and i thought all of their statements were genuine and sincere and they all made the point one way or another that russia poses a profound -- >> so you believe them. but did they get used by their boss? >> well, as subsequent events would indicate they certainly got as jennifer rubin of the "washington post" indicated, got hung out to dry big time and i was trying to imagine what i would have felt like were i still if dan coats' shoes had that happen t

his latest target, phil mudd.he president reacting to this exchange from friday's ac 360. >> when i am requested to sit on an advisory, let me ask you one question. how much do you think i'm paid to do that at the request of the u.s. government? give me one answer. you got ten seconds. how much? >> i will ask you a question. how much are you paid for your -- >> answer the question. >> your contracting gig for -- >> i have no contract with the u.s. government that pays money. zero. >> in a tweet the president said mudd was unglued and weird and questioned his mental condition. the president has seen controversy after yanking the security clearance for john brennan last week. let's break it down with chris alizza. he tweeted about clapper maying maybe clapper is being nice to me in his criticism of john brennan so he doesn't lose his security clearance. it feels like it is becoming a reality show of what can i do to keep my security clearance or take it away. >> becoming a reality show. the only thing i disagree is

. >> let me ask you about the nondisclosure agreement here, phil mudd that has been reported on. we saw the text of it on "meet the press" yesterday and omarosa claimed that some employees like sean spicer, she alleges, we don't know, were offered hush money to sign the nondisclosure agreements upon leaving the west wing. she said offered $15,000 and said she didn't sign it and can't buy her silence. if true, common practice and what about coupled with this cash that she alleges? >> i've heard of nondisclosure agreements before, i've signed them. i would be surprised if the nondisclosure agreement was coupled by an offer of cash. let me give you one perspective on this, you can sign all of the nondisclosure agreements you want, they are difficult to enforce. for one thing qul what she's saying is inappropriate versus illegal, i agree with jeff, it's inappropriate but doesn't get close to being prosecutable. if you want to enforce, you're going to give him another 15 minutes of fame. she's going to disappear in a week or two. >> thank you, gentlemen very much. >> we'll be onto the

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cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd. let's make three quick points.irst of all you say don't get too deep in the weeds of strategy. look at the president first, why? >> i love these strategy conversations. can we look at the personality of the president? repeatedly he's told us how he thinks. he's told this, and he said this publicly, i'm the only policymaker in public office. forget about state department. i'm the man who makes policy. and he's told us repeatedly, i'm a genius. what has he done in every circumstance? north korea, u-turn. russia, u-turn. g7, he goes to canada and embarrasses them. u-turn. nato, u-turn. they're not our friends. this he into ed to pay more. he comes in and says i'm smarter than bush. i'm smarter than obama. in every one of these circumstances, i'm u-turning because my solution is a better solution. same thing with iran, u-turn. >> so the u-turn here would be him actually, to me, it looks like stepping on the gas and saying, i'm going to sanction them. the timing is a little curious, but let's take the tactic. i'm going

hours earlier the president reacted to a clip between phil mudd facing off with paris dennard.he president called mudd "unglued" "weird" and asked if mudd should have his clearance pulled after mudd took offense that-to-the notion he profits off that clearance. watch this. >> let me ask you one question. how much do you think i'm paid to do that at the request of the u.s. government? give me one answer and you have ten seconds? how much? >> i'll ask you a question. how much are you -- >> answer the question. >> -- for contracting -- >> we're done. we're done. get out. >> let's discuss with cnn political analyst margaret evan and kaitlin huey burns. that was a wild raucous debate and goes to the heart of this, whether it's actually profiting from, what the u.s. and the utility of these security clearances are to the intel. here's what the president wrote "even james clapper had to ammonish general bran unanimous for going totally off the rails. maybe clapper is being nice to me when so he doesn't lose security clearance for lying to the congress." he said maybe brennan went to f

cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd, what's it about?s an american citizen released by the turks. the biggest question is simple -- this is about trying to treat -- trying to squeeze a strong man in a world that is the middle east, asia and then you can go into southeast asia where strong men can't show vulnerability. we're trying to isolate president erdogan. he's a strong map. he's looking at us saying i can't afford to show vulnerability by folding in the face of american pressure. >> is it the right move? worth putting sanctions on and straining the relationship for this man? >> no. it's worth straining the relationship for this one american citizen but if you want to put pressure on a country whether it's the iranians, the turks, the north koreans, you have to ensure they don't have an escape valve. what's that? europe, china, russia. what's the first phone call the turks snake putin and say we want you to help us out. >> that's good for us, right? >> did you see what happened to turkey and syria? as soon as we move out the butcher

those national security officials go out to the podium or even sent them out to the podium and so phil mudd who you all know, one of our cnn analysts, a former cia and fbi counterterrorism official. he said he believes the only reason the president would send them out when the president doesn't believe what they were staying was a pr stunt. so listen to him. >> that was not a security meeting and that was not a red light. that was the white house using a bunch of people so for the next two months they can use a talking point that said, hey, every time somebody raises russia to sarah sanders she's going to say look, the president directed those guys and also those women you saw on the podium to go do something about russia give me a break, yes. they got used. >> mike rogers, he's not suggesting they were disingenuous. they want to get their message out. they'll take any opportunity they can. our national security heads, but this somehow gives the president cover when he then calls it a hoax. >> i'm not sure. i think it was great we had all of our intelligence officials up there saying this i

. >> and phil mudd, this does seem like it could be taking more time than obviously the president's legalwould like to see, giuliani is demanding that the probe should end by september 1, but randy credico is going to testify in september, this probe is not going anywhere, it seems. >> we have seen steady indictments come out. we had the indictments in the winter of russians, we had more indictments in the summer of russians. i think it's possible that we'll see more indictments before we get a slowdown going into september. but somehow in all likelihood, robert mueller saying let me match rudy giuliani's timeline as to when to end the investigation, that's just not going to figure in. the special counsel tells me they're not going to be shut down by early september. >> i want to get your take next, the money landering and tax evasion trial of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort just recessed until monday, cnn's chief national security respond is at the courthouse in alexandria, virginia, what happened in the court house today? >> reporter: a few developments, it started with a d

intelligence officials, now a statement from 60 former cia officials including our own contributor phil muddtement, they say that they're not necessarily signing on to the views expressed by the former cia director john brennan but says here at the end of this what our signatures do represent is firm belief that the country will be weakened if there is a political litmus test applied before experts are allowed to share views. this is just you have a long list here of former cia officers who are saying this. john kirby, what do you make of this? this is an unpresentcedented pushback to the president. >> this is unusual to see this from intelligence officials that don't like to be -- >> staying in the background. >> happy to do that. that's the value they bring to the nation. but, you know, with this latest one, you have that many more and i think both letters, both statements really get to the heart of the issue, jim. national security imperative herement it is not just about free speech and it is. it is about the degree to which a current administration can pull from and learn from and get m

. >> no matter how many generations back you go, it strikes me, phil mudd, short memories, some of theces against it, you don't have to look back to when you or your ancestors faced the same situation. >> i must have been ignorant at a child, but i remember growing up democratic, politics, defense spending, the school board, if you look at how people define themselves today what do you think about gay marriage, who somebody sleeps up, what do you think about separating a mom from her kid at the border? it's not just politics anymore. it's who i am, and that's why people are hot. >> you're having culture wars within families, and that's really what's going on here in steven miller's family. in goodlatte's case, it is. his son believes that struck has been mistreated and has served his country well and that his father embarrassed him at the hearing. and clearly he was sad to see him fired, whether he should have been or not is a whole other story. but the culture wars have taken -- they've grown so personal within families i think everyone's going to have interesting thanksgiving dinners

we are not saying phil mudd is involved in this in any way.e are not even saying it's nefarious but we are seeing people with security clearances, there is a money trail. and by the way, tomorrow night we will have a full investigation, a "hannity" investigation investigating the investigators, follow the money. "hannity" investigation. back in 2013 mainstream media was largely silent when the obama administration did the whole same thing on a much larger scale. a blatant media double standard. but as we get closer and closer to the most important midterm elections of our life, you've got to expect this coverage is going to get more insane day by day, minute-by-minute. for example, conspiracy tv msnbc, one panelist even suggested the president wanted to round up people and murder them. conspiracy. take a look. >> your argument that he's not the leader of the free world because not standing up for democracy -- >> he's a sort of junior player in a block of authoritarian countries. >> and the people like the european union are no longer looking a

. >> phil mudd, you served the government again. secretary sanders repeated a falsehood from the podium today because she said that these ndas are normal in government when, in fact, they are only normal in that they relate to the nondisclosure of classified information not to telling people they can never criticize anybody involved in the administration or any company or any family member as it does here. you never signed anything like this i assume in your time of government? >> no, i'll take it a step further. i feel like i was stupid the other day. when i first heard about this on tv, i assumed this referred to nondisclosure of classified information. not only have i never signed anything like this, i never heard of anybody that had to sign something that said i can't disparage one of my bosses. i've disparaged the bosses i've had for the past five years on cnn. nobody's ever called me on it. omarosa has got 15 minutes of fame. if the white house continues to pursue this, she gets a 16th minute. she's hoping the white house brin

phil mudd, do any of these scenarios make sense? >> there is one broad scenario. united states, and a citizen here, overspends on security. if you look at our spending on the conventional military and intelligence side, we far outstrip people around the world in terms of spending. so tsa is doing what other countries routinely have to do around the world that is risk management. i'm not sure this is just about a proposal, and i'm not sure that we cnn really are the recipients of this message. i suspect somebody is leaking this as a message to congress to say if you keep cutting our budget, this is the kind of stuff you're going to get so you better give us this money. >> in that vein, renee, these are discussions being had. have you gotten a sense of how serious any of these measures are? >> no, because we just have not been able to get anything back from tsa, despite us reaching out. we do know that the ta's administrator was certainly briefed on this according to our source just last month. so we know the discussions are happening. what will the end result look

sean hannity played an exchange on cnn from last week of phil mudd.cia counterterrorism official and head of the fbi's national security branch debating clearances with pro-trump commentator paris denard. >> when i am requested to sit on an advisory board, let me ask you one question. how much do you think i'm paid to do that at the request of the u.s. government? give me one answer and you got ten seconds. how much? >> i'll ask you a question. how much are you paid for your -- >> answer the question. >> contracting gigs for being -- >> no contracts with the u.s. government that pay money. zero. >> when you have a security clearance and you keep it -- >> zero relationships with the private sector that involve my security clearance. zero. i get zero dollars from consulting companies that deal with the u.s. government. are we clear? >> i will be clear and say that everybody in washington, d.c. knows if you don't want to be honest about it that's on you, but if you have a security clearance and you keep it, you get more money to have it. >> we're done. g

clearance chaos, president trump suggesting he may pull the security clearance of former fbi official phil mudday night. >> when requested to sit on an advisory board, how much do you think i'm paid to do that at the request of the u.s. government? give me one answer and you've got 10 seconds. how much? i'll ask you a question, how much are you paid for your -- >> answer the question. >> how much are you paid for the contracting gig. >> i have no contracts with the u.s. government that pay money. >> when have you a security clearance -- >> i have zero relationships with the private sector that involve my security clearance. zero. >> i will be clear in saying that everybody in washington, d.c. knows if you don't want to be honest about it, that's on you. but if you have a security clearance and you keep it you get more money to have it. >> we're done. jim, we're done. get out. >> it's not your show. >> get out. maria: wow. president trump tweeted yesterday this, just watched former intelligence official philip mudd become totally unglued and weird while debating over brennan's security clearance