. >>> joining me now to discuss health care phil rucker, the white house bureau chief for "washington post." his piece just out detailing the back story of how president trump tried to marshal support for the bill. it's taw rierrific read and kai health news mary agnes kerry. health care law is tough. this is the ultimate sausage factory. isn't that the lesson? >> it's so hard to get consensus within your own party with the republicans and hard to find policy solutions that work for everyone. it's very, very difficult and i think paul ryan and house republicans and president trump found that out in their efforts to rehaul the affordable care act. >> to your observation, even if this had been successful, it faced doom in the united states senate? >> absolutely. you had moderates there, including susan collins of maine and very concerned about the changes in the medicaid funding structure structure. there were concerns the subsidies wouldn't be enough, rather, to help people afford coverage. a lot of concerns that faced lots of opposition in the senate. >> phil rucker, is this really a

former trump adviser anthony scaramucci, jennifer granholm and white house beautiful chee chief phil ruckerose by line is the most vivid account of the president's latest episode. the president rages at leaks, setbacks and accusations. phil, in the piece you wrote about the president's frustration over the last week with leaks, setbacks, accusations. very well received address to congress on tuesday than seemed to the attention on than didn't last as long as the white house would have liked. you called it a perpetual state of chaos. what have you been learning from your sources? >> they're telling us that trump has been frustrated and not just by the russia situation and by what happened in the news last week but by the fact he's now entering week seven of his administration and there's still chaos. there are crises left and right. many of his own make. he's not been able to have the big signature accomplish ps he would like to have. they dropped the health care bill today. that could be an accomplishment soon. but he looks at a comparisonton barack obama from eight years ago and obama had

>> thanks very much, perspective from anthony scaramucci and phil rucker, whose byline, the headlinede trump's fury." so let me start off with you. in the washington post piece, you wrote about the president's frustration over the last week with leaks, setbacks, accusations. he a very-well-received address to congress on tuesday, and the attention on that didn't last as long clearly as the white house would have liked. you called it a perpetual state of chaos. what are you learning from your sources? >> sources are telling us that trump is frustrated, not just by the russia situation and what happened in the news last week but by the fact that he's now entering week seven of his administration and there is still chaos, crises left and right. they dropped the health care bill today, that's going to start to get off the ground, and that could be an accomplishment soon, but he looks at a comparison of president obama. other big ticket items that were passed in the early months, and trump's just not there yet. >> what do you make of the notion that there is chaos in the white house? >> l

and the "washington post's" phil rucker who's been all over this thing. carol, did you notice the way that this young, relatively young member of congress, nunes from california, i don't know much about the guy, treating the president like he's a little baby. you know, he gets a little upset once in a while, says things he really shouldn't and doesn't have the help of advisers like lawyers around him so he does things that really don't make much sense, but we shouldn't blame him because he's a neophyte. he's a neophyte. >> yeah. there's definitely -- >> that's a defense. that's what a criticism looks like. >> there's -- that's the republicans -- the republicans -- >> why are so they -- >> they're grading him on a curve. >> they're helping him hide. by the way, boehner, when trump was running around saying obama was an illegal immigrant from kenya, people asked him, tell your fellow members it's not true, he said i don't tell them how to think. this is the way they behave in the republican party today. they're so intimidated by this guy, trump, that they j

ashley parker, phil rucker at the "washington post" but then sometimes you have other reporters who seemto have a lot of agendas, you know, politico does i think illustrates you to i never got the feeling when you read politico that they've got axes to grind. they have really good people. so i think there are some good people there and shut you almost selected look at some of the different reporters to see who's doing a more balanced job of reporting the news. >> host: k. in riverside a a while, democrat, good morning to you.ca >> caller: i would've nevermp voted for trump in 1 million years because of his own predictability but he does say things that are kind of fascinating and that i agree with. says when he says the media is the enemy of the people, i mean, to some degree, for instance, in the run-up to the invasion of iraq, the majority of the mainstream outlets did not really exhibit or demonstrate wr that they were opposing views to the spoonfed information thatth the bush administration was handing out to the media that they swallowed and then disseminated to the public. come on,

. >> phil rucker, washington bureau chief of the "washington post," thank you for being with us. coming up, if he said it on the trail, it's in there. we're doing a little throwback thursday reminder of then candidate trump's budget promises and we're going beyond the headlines here. we're going to talk about what this means for actual human beings who do not live in washington. plus the winners and losers you might not have heard about. all of that live from the nation's capital. look at that thomas jefferson memorial. why pause a spontaneous moment? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis a

your second paragraph in a piece you co-wrote with ashley parker and phil rucker at the "post" says over the next 1 days till the bill collapsed in the house friday afternoon, in a humiliating defeat, the sharpest rebuke yet of trump's young presidency and his negotiating skills. the question continued to nag at the president whether or not this was a good bill. robert, are you too close to this? is it too early to give us a damage assessment, in your view? >> oh, it's a major political defeat for the president. objectively speaking as a reporter, this was something he embraced. he may not be an ideological paul ryan style republican. but he went along with the agenda from congressional republicans. and as i spoke to the president, it was clear he thought he could adapt his deal making skills from the real estate world to the political world. but what he recognized and he reveal this had over the course of the conversation, that the political world is far less transactional and it's very different. you have purists here, ideologues, skittish moderates, all these different factions. the p

let's talk with gloria borger our chief political analyst and phil rucker who is the white house bureauhief for the "washington post," hi guys. gloria, let me start with you and the reporting we are getting here about how the president feels and the fact he left washington for florida on friday really upset at his senior staff about the way last weekended. >> i was told by one source close to the president that he has been pressurious, and that's the word that was used with me because he feels that after his great speech to a joint session of congress the white house staff let him down and didn't keep that narrative running, that he was disappointed in the way the whole sessions issue played out. perhaps he didn't each think sessions should have recused himself at all. but that the white house wasn't prepared for it witness way or another. and that this is generally the i with a it's been going the last couple of weeks and that the president has displayed more sort of flashes of anger, if you will, at his own staff. and of course because reince priebus is the chief of staff, he probably

>> i feel like, during the course of my reporting with my colleague phil rucker, it was almost like pulling off a scab. this was the dynamic that hasp ended the trump white house so long for the first two months of this presidency. we have been talking about bannon vs. reince priebus, chief of staff. forget about that conventional wisdom. the competing players, gary comb, deena powell, working with ivanka trump, jared kushner, they're polished, connected to the wall street community and seen as a different type of operative in the white house because of their business backgrounds about -- and they are moderate when it comes to politics, and because of their rising power and they have the president's ear -- bannon and priebus are now aligned. any divisions faded away as they see powell and cohen as real rivals. >> rose: what did you think of the piece not in terms of what it said but in terms of anything else? >> i thought it was a terrific piece that really captured a part that hadn't occurred to a lot of us in washington. i don't know, mr. -- i don't know mr. bannon, bob does. but i think

your second paragraph in a piece you co-wrote with ashley parker and phil rucker at the "post" says over the next 1 days till the bill collapsed in the house friday afternoon, in a humiliating defeat, the sharpest rebuke yet of trump's young presidency and his negotiating skills. the question continued to nag at the president whether or not this was a good bill. robert, are you too close to this? is it too early to give us a damage assessment, in your view? >> oh, it's a major political defeat for the president. objectively speaking as a reporter, this was something he embraced. he may not be an ideological paul ryan style republican. but he went along with the agenda from congressional republicans. and as i spoke to the president, it was clear he thought he could adapt his deal making skills from the real estate world to the political world. but what he recognized and he reveal this had over the course of the conversation, that the political world is far less transactional and it's very different. you have purists here, ideologues, skittish moderates, all these different factions. the p

phil rucker, white house bureau chief for the "washington post." margaret for "bloomberg" and p.j.ous person, author of "how the hell did this happen: the election of to 2016" i'll let you start, p.j. you're great. let me ask you about this weird thing of the president saying something, gets up at dawn. he doesn't like what's being said about whatever, he says i'll make some news. the president, sick president obama, ordered a wiretap on me. and now he's trying to say something like, well, there's a lot of definitions of that, no, he said a sick president did it to me. then all his people got the flak for him. >> first i thought it was an old magician trick, you know, just diversion. you know? don't look here. look over here. get the rabbit and put it in the hat. now i'm starting to think attributing anything as intelligence a plan donald trump is unnecessary, i'm overegging the pudding, you know? this guy is just -- he's a giant toddler and there's nothing going around inside his head except, you know, when do i get to suck my thumb next? >> margaret, how do you write news for a n

my colleagues ashley parker and phil rucker and i worked on this story over the weekend about how the left the white house in a huff on friday, unhappy with his staff, unhappy in many ways with attorney general sessions' decision to recuse himself. he gets to mar-a-lago and plays golf on saturday. he is playing angry according to people who were with him on saturday. fuming about the intelligence community steve bannon flew down on saturday. he has been talking to the president about the so-called deep state, the intelligence community who, in their eyes, is working against them. he wakes up sunday morning, however, and he's in a good mood when he reads the papers and watches the early cable shows because he thinks his allegations against president obama were dominating the news. but he became unhappy later sunday when he sees most republicans and elected officials don't really stand by him and his claims. instead they try to distance themselves. that irritated the president before he came back to washington on. so you have him digesting news and pushing out information, suggestions a