phil shellero, the magnificent legislative director for the president told him at the beginning mr.sident, health insurance reform will die five times before you sign this bill. and the only thing he was wrong about was there were probably many more than five where we thought, geez, is this the end of the road? the only guy who said, you know what? we're going to find a way to get this done, was the president. and he even after massachusetts, after the massachusetts primary which was viewed as such a blow, he... his attitude was we just have to figure out how to navigate our way through this and regroup. >> rose: take me back to that moment because that was a significant moment after massachusetts and people said you no longer have 60 votes in the senate so you've got to change their tactics. you've got to change your direction. you've got to change whatever. what was it like? what was the discussion? what was the conversation? >> well, you know, one of his great attributes is the ability to look long and what he said was, you know what? let's give this a little time to breathe, we'