and podcasting partner phil simmons called the commissioner of the nfl a liar.ended up getting suspended for three weeks. espn suspended him. was that the right decision? >> it was totally wrong. if a sports columnist in a or emphasizet call free speech, calling him a liar, it's not like it came out of nowhere. it's like one reasonable whole ray from the rice saga is that the commissioner of the nfl knew about the existence of the videotape. did?saying that's what he i don't know, but it's a reasonable conclusion. if i thought in the course of expressing opinions sports columnist are allowed to draw conclusions -- apparently not. that was an embarrassingly low moment. >> you think football still goes away? >> i don't see how it doesn't. it will start to shrivel up in high school and college level. then the pro game will weather on the vine. boxing was one of the biggest sports in this country in the 1920's. where is it now? >> what about print media in the future of journalism? does it developer decline? agee are entering a golden for media. there is more media,

what gave me comfort was i was able to see phil simmons 48 hours after and he was able to tell me, it wasn't my fault. the bowler in this instance wouldn't have been able to do that. hughes didn't make a recovery, wasn't able to talk to him. so my thoughts go out to him as welling because whether he will come back from this, abbott, or not -- prnlly, i don't think he'll play cricket again. >> that's desperately difficult. it's very interesting the way you had a chance to make amends almost, but to see that the batsman was okay. let's be honest, you were a very quick bowler. and you knew that a bouncer would soften up a batsman possibly. that's part of your armory. a purpose of the game. so how does it work, that you're prepared to take that, to do that, but of course there are these sorts of risks involved. >> of course there are. i don't think any fast bowler that walks out of there are looking to inflict danger on someone for them to actually end up in hospital and lose their life. it's a part of the game. as you say, you use it to rough up a batsman, to make them feel unsetted, and

phil simmons got fired for speculating he was a liar.ger goodell lied. >> the notes seem to back her up. this seemed bizarre that you would punish him twice for the same offense. the first time too lightly, the second time too severely. the process has been a mess it's a big threat to the future of roger goodell. in the long-term, i believe the biggest threat to the nfl is the concussion issue. >> it would be -- goodell's job would be on line if he weren't hired by the owners who are still backing him as of now. >> i think it may still be on the line. >> he makes so much money for the owners. >> somebody else can do the same thing. >> the other thing from that interview though that really jumped out at me is that she remembers nothing of what happened in the elevator because he hit her so hard. talk about concussions. it was just -- it was a pauling. it's an amazing thing to have seen. so i do think this is a big issue for the nfl. i understand why the nfl is trying to get out front and not be behind this curve, what did goodell know and

i was writing with ed simmons and a fellow by the name of phil came to visit us and he had four children and i had one. i asked him how things were going. i was having a difficult time. all she wants are my joan davis reruns. he was settling for the reruns of a show he had created and i said i had to do a sitcom. because it was owning something. >> everybody knows this because of the publicist he bill cosby got for it, jerry seinfeld got for it. you create a television show that you own, the network broadcasts it. they pay for it but the real payoff when it is when it goes off the network and you can syndicate. >> i was just smart enough to know i needed a business partner. bud and i found a guy named jerry who was a great, great man. he made it a business. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 shows on the year. i would not know how to make it a business. >> what about the dollar value of revenue for all of those shows you created? >> we sold those shows to coca-cola company a great many years ago. the title of this book derives from the fact that despite taking down a whole bunch of money, i went into b