let me bring in renee and phil trautwein, the mother and brother of sarah trautwein, who was killed in9 accident involving a 2005 chevy cobalt, one of the cars involved in the recall. thank you so much for being with us. and first of all, our sincere sympathies to you. i know all of this is coming back with what's going on now. i just want to play a little bit of what mary barra had to say yesterday. >> i need to get the results of the study to make all determinations, and i want to know the answers to the questions you're asking. those are the questions i want to answer. >> renee, you listened to the testimony. did you learn anything, are you satisfied? >> no, i'm more sure there's a coverup. they've all been there, it's the same gm, there's no new gm. the employees are all the same, whoever approved that part is still there. no, it's time to stop covering up and own up. >> you've actually been on quite the emotional roller coaster. this accident, which we should say, has not been conclusively linked to this ignition problem, happened five years ago. >> correct. >> you thought sarah h