. >> host: philip agnew. >> guest: philip agnew is a giant in so many ways, but also brother tory and william -- the great kinglike figure of our time. all of these folk who gain deep inspiration as well as analytical elimination for martin king. with the recognize as part of a tradition and isolating individuals on a pedestal, no that the recognize just like you untie we are who we are because somebody loved us. somebody cared for us. the question is how much loving and caring will what we do in the short time we hear from mamas womb to tomb? that's what martin understood. he got a whole lot in his 39 years with early on he's bringing his critique of capitalism, not a trashing of moneymaking or ugly rejection of markets it was a very subtle analysis that puts poor people and working people at the center. so it's not dogmatic. anywhere been he can get and use, it could be marxism feminist later, it might be from liberalism in terms of critique, it might be even conservatism. doesn't have to be patriarchal family by family is still important. church. doesn't have to be patriarchal chur

philip agnew is a giant. but also brother tory and william barber who is older generation by the great figure of our time. all of these folks who give inspiration as well as analytical illumination from martin king. what they recognize as part of the tradition isolating individuals on a pedestal that they recognize just like you and i we are who we are because somebody loved us. somebody cared for us and the question is how much loving and caring but we do in the short time we are here from mamas womb to tomb? that is what martin understood. early on he is already bringing this critique capitalism not a trashing of moneymaking or ugly rejection of markets but a subtle analysis that puts poor people and working people at the center. any weapon he could get a poor use could be marxist that the level or the several -- liberal. it might he conservatism in terms of the family. it doesn't have to be a patriarchal family that families important. church. it doesn't have to be a patriarchal church these days. >> host: