> joining me now to discuss the successes and failures of the war on poverty as it's known are philip cohen , professor of sociology at university of maryland, and olivia golden, executive director of the center for law and social policy for k clasp. let me ask you, on balance, do they work? >> i had a chance in the clinton administration to oversee head start and focus on the programs for low income people. i would say the improvement in nutrition, the ability to reach children with healthcare are extraordinarily important, but for children which is what i know best, the overall poverty levels remain bright anyoning in 22% to 21%, that's the low wage labor market. it's the ways in which the economy and low-wage jobs are failing us and our public investment is getting us part of the way there. but there is a huge amount less to do. >> professor, same question. >> well, i think that we're doing okay now. the trick is we have to keep score correctly. all the programs that you mentioned other than social security aren't counted in our official poverty measure. but if you take accounting of the