came across a story in the testimony of a very, very important -- a survivor by the name of philip friedman norris from this region and heard about her during the war through other survivors. he wrote about this, i think it was as early as the fifties. and i was shocked by this. he, you know, identified her as a survivor who was astounded by the violence. and that was the first indication. here is someone who is an outstanding figure. let me test of whether not this is true. let me try to corroborate this particular testimony with other materials. and then i get into the primary german documentation and found her marriage application and verify your she was well, ron meyer feet. she was in fact sent there. she was a real person. they're with her daughter. and then continued to collect more victim's testimony about her. that really was related in this case. there are other cases in my book , the 13 biographies where i headed by people through memoirs. they came out, have kind of the audacity to write their memoirs and leave out some of the history. i use that as a starting point and start to dig. m