we have philip geraldine, he's a former cia counter terrorism specialist who is now executive director of the council for the national interest. and in budapest we cross to george 70. well, he is a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals, or a gentleman cross that rules and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate. okay, let's start with fill appear. obviously, we're all watching the events very closely unfold. what's going on in ukraine. we saw the ukranian president address are essentially would be a, a joint session of congress. he's talked to the canadian parliament, the u. k. parliament. and that is a very powerful propaganda element that is being played out in this conflict because i was to lot of cable tv. i don't really see much of a conflict. i hear a whole lot of commentary. so phillip, it is, he is the western war with russia, i mean, minus the nukes at this point, but it doesn't, it's never really said straightforward, this is war. well, i would, i would agree, i mean, just based on the economic warfare that i