intelligence official in germany i'm pleased to say i'm not joined live by philip giraldi who used to be a cia officer working in germany thanks for joining us today sir is the latest scandal really a surprise given the previous revelations no actually should not be a surprise at all the cia and. just have had a very close relationship for a very many years and many b.m.d. officers have in fact crossed the line and cooperated with the cia to provide information that they were not providing openly now the state department spokesperson jen psaki has been asked to comment on the expulsion just take a listen to what she had to say for a moment. when you say you have seen the judgment of the media reports seeing. what you mean by that or do you deny either judgment or league ations a boat that there was a spy ration going on oh i'm all i meant by it was that we've seen the reports we've read the reports i'm not going to say i don't have any specific comment on it given its purported until you see those reports are true i'm not going to have anything more to add on that front so clearly the

see those reports are true i'm not going to have anything more to add on that front we spoke to philip giraldi he's a former cia officer who used to work in germany and he told us that he would be expanding that small plans halogens official as a drastic step that sends a very strong message. expelling the cia chief of station is unprecedented i don't know of a single example of any nato country expelling the cia chief of station and so this is quite a significant move by the germans they're saying no more of this there's no question about it i think this one is different because i think it is it is maybe one or two too far it basically is the germans are saying that we have a high tolerance for the united states acting independently in our country but recruiting our government officials and turning them into spies is a step that we can't condone so that's i think it's a serious discussion going on but i as i said before i think the united states and germany have so much in common politically and every other way that eventually will blow all. russia's president vladimir putin away then on the