. >> rose: joining me from washington is philip gordon, senior fellow at council on foreign relations from 2013 to 2015, white house coordinator for the middle east, and the gulf region. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: let me read from something you've said on september 25, 2015, politico said "for years i have advised president obama on syria. it is now clearer than ever that a new strategy is need. what is the new strategy? >> first, the within it's clearer than ever is what has become clear in the past several weeks is that the stated objective of u.s. policy and western policy and our allies in the gulf which is to bring about a political transition by supporting the opposition is not working and unlikely to work. and by that, i mean has failed. sure, i mean, i think we have to say that. we had a program totain and equip the -- to train and equip the opposition, to make it strong enough to get rid of the regime or pressure the regime to make meaningful changes. we hoped and expected that thete russian deployment, one needs to conclude they are not likely to a.p. happen soon. when

philip gordon is with the council on foreign relations.arch of this year, he served on the national security council as special assistant for the middle east. >> what has become clear in the past several weeks is that the stated objective of u.s. policy and western policy and our allies in the gulf, which is to bring about a political transition by supporting the opposition, is not working, and unlikely to work. >> rose: has failed. >> and by that i mean-- has failed, sure. i think we have to say that. we had a program to train and equip the opposition to make it strong enough to either get rid of the regime or pressure the regime to make meaningful changes. we hoped and expected that the russians and the iranians, who were mainly backing the regime, would ultimately see the light and realize they had to come to the table and negotiate seriously. >> rose: is there-- and this is from josh earnest the president's secretary: >> charlie, there is a proxy war already, and there has been for years. and that's the problem. for years, the, you kno

charlie: joining me is philip gordon, senior officer of the council of foreign relations. i am pleased to have him back on this program. let me read from something you have said on september 25, 2015. politico said "for years i have advised president obama on syria. it is now clearer than ever that a new strategy is needed." what is the new strategy? philip: what has become clear in the past several weeks is that the stated objective of u.s. policy and western policy and our allies in the gulf, which is to bring about a political transition by supporting the opposition, is not working and unlikely to work. by that i mean it has failed. we have to say that. we had a program to train and equip the opposition, to make it strong enough to either get rid of the regime or pressure the regime to make meaningful changes. we hoped and expected that the russians and iranians who were mainly backing the regime would ultimately see the light and realize they had to come to the table and negotiate seriously, and those things have not happened. with this russian deployment, one needs to

. >> rose: there is from philip gordon who was white house coordinator of the middle east and north africa and gulf region and advise the president of syria. he said this in political magazine on the 25th of september. the essential problem with u.s.-syria policy since the start of the crisis has been the mismatch between object-- objectives and names. the objective of displacing the assad regime has proven unachievable with the means we have been willing or able to deploy to achieve it. agree with that? >> well, phil, a very smart guy, pent a lot of time in the situation room around the table, wrestling with this, hardest of all problems. in terms of the means, i think the critics, many critics have talked about putting more resources against this problem. and if that comes in the form of u.s. troops, i think the president has been very clear that he believes that would be a mistake. >> i will talk about other things with syria. but syria is where the main focus in iraq on the battle against isis is right now. >> uh-huh. >> fair. >> fair. >> syria in iraq. >> where else is it, and what is

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velazquez's new lawyers, celia gordon and bob gottlieb, have been conducting their own investigation into the case. >> our investigaor located philipes and spoke with philip jones. >> he gave the lawyers a sworn affidavit where he recanted all of his testimony, raising serious doubt about who actually committed the murder. >> you know philip jones? we wanted to confirm his story, so we went looking for him. i'm looking for philip jones? >> no. >> philip jones? >> no. >> eventually, we found him outside his homes in queen, new york, he asked us to come inside where we read his affidavit back to him. "on 2-2-98, i did a lineup where i picked out an individual as being the shooter." in the affidavit jones said that police pressured him to make an identification. >> i told the police this was the guy and i felt sure this was not the truth. i thought they were going to arrest me and my brother robert. >> by the time the trial started, jones was in jail, convicted on drug charges. but the d.a.'s office promised it would send a letter to the parole board saying he cooperated as a witness. today, philip jones said he always knew that velaz

host: joshua gordon, talking about the debt limit. first call is from philip, republican line. caller: i would like to see them get back to the real world like we are, living with our bills. did we have a crisis under obama when he went and close down the monuments and close down the parks? he was just trying to make it hard on the people and the media just took off, blame the republicans, blame the republicans. he did not have to close down the parks, but he wanted to hit the american people when they are going on vacation and try to hurt them. that's this whole theory. i don't believe he loves this country. that?anything from guest: there are two issues happening. you have this debt limit, then you also have -- from the government on the basis and not funding the government, not -- is what leads to the government shutdown where the national otherclosed and nonessential functions of the government basically shut down. those are two different things. the government shutdown, happens occasionally and that is a disagreement between it or the houses of congress or congress and the

host: joshua gordon, talking about the debt limit. first call is from philip, republican line.aller: i would like to see them get back to the real world like we are, living with our bills. did we have a crisis under obama when he went and close down the monuments and close down the parks? he was just trying to make it hard on the people and the media just took off, blame the republicans, blame the republicans. he did not have to close down the parks, but he wanted to hit the american people when they are going on vacation and try to hurt them. that's this whole theory. i don't believe he loves this country. that?anything from guest: there are two issues happening. you have this debt limit, then you also have -- from the government on the basis and not funding the government, not -- is what leads to the government shutdown where the national otherclosed and nonessential functions of the government basically shut down. those are two different things. the government shutdown, happens occasionally and that is a disagreement between it or the houses of congress or congress and the p