>> that was his father philip graham. >> what was that like? she says you knew legends and there were so many. >> there were many, many legen legends. at that point, catherine graham had not emerged obviously as a publisher. that happened once or committed suicide. i talked some about this, but in those early days, he was the one who had helped to hire simeon booker and he knew what he was facing it and so philip graham chose simeon booker you know, if anybody makes you mad, don't talk them in the eye, come up into my office and cool off. but he never gave me that kind of specific advice. but he would sometimes, he would come to the office and sometimes you would not see him for a long time. but then sometimes he would come through and he would every now and then, perched on the side of the desk and asked me how i was doing. and as i said, because we didn't discuss race and we didn't complain about how i was being treated or any of that. i would say fine and he would chat for a few minutes and it was a bit of a morale lifter. but the people ask