and philip mudd, a senior research fellow at the new america foundation, held senior positions at the c.i.a., f.b.i. and the national security council. p.j. crowley, these latest revelation, the surveillance of the communication of heads of state and heads of government, is that a serious breach, serious diplomatic problem for the united states now? >> is a serious and awkward diplomatic problem for the united states. you know, that said, at the end of the day, interests drive relationship, politics matters. it animates those relationships and the willingness of leaders to stand together in common cause and do whatever needs to be done to keep their perspective countries safe. you know, those relationships also matter. we have been through these stresses and strains before. we when through them with wikileaks, remember that iraq wasn't very popular during the bush administration. so i'm confident that because the relationships with the united states and europe is so deep, is so broad, is so meaningful, we'll get through this. but it will take some time. >> suarez: philip mudd, how ser