when we come back, philip rucker and kathie obradovich.ohn: joining us now are phil rucker, correspondent for "the washington post," and cap you brad lidge of -- kathie obradovich of "the des moines register." want to talk about the democratic race, leading to phil's at a store, but give us a sense of where things stand between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. kathie: i don't think it could possibly be any closer. apartre couple points and people are still making up their minds. everything is going to matter. do endorsements matter? usually they don't, but this town hall tonight, no one can afford to make a step out of line. john: you don't dispute the notion, though, that there is a large and easy as some gap between the sanders -- enthusiasm gap between the sanders forces and clinton forces? which may not be decisive, but there is a gap. weatherif we have bad and some people think, oh, well, i don't need to go -- but in a close race everybody gets enthusiastic and everybody thinks that their vote matters. john: phil, you have a piece