i talked about this to philip before, and to james about what might have been involved in achieving the goal to sign a stark treaty in 1989, rather than 1991. i realize this was complicated. in our conversation with philip, he didn't like the use of the word pause. the pause in the bush administration's dealing with gorbachev to assess reagan and what he and shultz had accomplished. gorbachev from -- from gorbachev's point of view, it was frustrating, he couldn't understand it. back, it seems to me to have been a big mistake to the extent that it actually happened. you gentlemen may decide it is in. when i look back and i read memoirs, it is said gorbachev was trying to smother us with theness, these are almost words, i would find them if i opened the book. gorbachev was more dangerous than his predecessors, because bywas loading our vigilance seemingly beaten so reasonable. by this time, gorbachev transformed the soviet system when thinking about the conference in the 1988, which set the stage for the free elections of 1989. the archaeological underpinnings of foreign-policy. he signed a disarmament treaty