it is only recently that we have learned that, actually, philip zimbardo specifically instructed the "i do not want to do that. that is not who i am." then he said, "look, you are these 60s hippies, liberals, right? you want to reform the prison system in america as well. come on, i need these results. i need you to behave in a horrible way, then we can go to the press and say, "look, this is what prisons do to people." and so some of them went along and this became a huge story and it is still in the textbooks of millions of students, while, yeah, in reality, it's pretty much a hoax. and i do find that fascinating — and you have done a lot of work to debunk some of those theories — but your big problem, it seems to me, is that while you might be able to debunk the ‘60s work which sort of attempted to say there is a quasi nazi mentality within all of us, what you can't debunk, because it is just factual, is nazism, genocide, and the holocaust itself — and not even just the german holocaust, but the genocides we have seen in more recent times, from rwanda to the ethnic cleansing in th