francine lacqua tackled on thursday in an exclusive interview with blackrock's vice chairman, philipp hildebrandhe yield curve metals -- matters a great deal for banking no matter how you look at it. wealth management can be a way to diversify away from some of the risks of having a flat or inverted curve, but it is difficult. we are not going to see booming banks in an environment where we have the yield curve the way we have it today. francine: i look at it almost weekly, but it just keeps on going up. this is the value of negative yielding bonds, topping $16 trillion. our bonds in a bubble overall? philip: again, there are reasons why the market is seeking safe haven, and bonds is where you go. i wouldn't say this is a bubble. this is a consequence of, on ths one hand, a cyclical slowdown which we are now in the late part of the cycle. risks of recession are increasing. most importantly, it is also a consequence of the governmental policies, particularly the populist policies we've seen in so many countries. the notion that this will not harm the global economy is simply a fallacy that is now