still with me is the vice chair of blackrock, philipp hildebrand mr. ebrand, when you look at the geopolitical tensions that we've had since the beginning of the year, how telling wasn't that markets spiked her there were concerns that died down again. is this the concern of central bank policies? are two forces. this tremendous easing of monetary policy and the flaring up of geopolitical risks and trade engines. we have seen some of this moving into the background. some certainly, the trade deal between the u.s. and china is positive news. brexit is a big weight on markets. these are positive developments, but is early days. the underlying longer-term question is how this strategic competition between the u.s. and china, beyond trade -- trade is one part of it but he goes beyond trade -- how that will evolve. francine: so still trying to figure out what kind of capitalist society china will become. how does the market trade that? philipp: what has become pretty clear is that unlike what is the hypothesis in 2000 when china entered wto, that this would