and council member philippe cunningham said the language in the pledge was up for interpretation, its somewhat ambiguous to him, it turns out, as he eats his words. cunningham, by the way -- there is philippe -- one of three minneapolis council members who hired taxpayer-funded private security details at the cost of $4500 a day. hey, philippe, pretty cool, huh? and city council president lisa bender added she believed the pledge created confusion in the community. she looks like she'd be worried about confusion in the community. wow. bender told cnn back in june that the fear of not having the police to call upon comes from a place of, are you ready? privilege. a place of privilege. well, joining us tonight is larry eller, host of the larry elder show on the salem radio network, executive producer of the documentary "uncle tom: an oral history of the american black conservative." great to have you with us, larry. let's start with that city council and that -- [laughter] that gathering of whatever they are. i mean, minneapolis couldn't do better than that for a city council? really?

another city council member for minneapolis, a guy called philippe cunningham lamented that money wase cops instead of people with sociology degree's or master's feminist dance. watch. >> all that money has been going to the police department and what have we gotten in return? pain, trauma, and hurt. it isn time for us to get behind community and get behind the strategies that we know work. >> tucker: it's time to get behind community and with that in mind, the city council of the city of minneapolis voted to defund the police. and then something happened that nobody could have expected. all the cameras, all the cnn crews come all the activists, they all went home. but for those who were stuck in minneapolis, they noticed it was getting dangerous. really dangerous. so you know what happened? you canan guess. at a meeting this week, the same city council that voted to defund the police demanded answers from the police chief, why weren't the police doing more to stop criminals? watch. >> i would appreciate some more information on how we are addressing the carjackings. i know thatrm the