with me now is france's ambassador to the u.s., philippe etienne. mr. ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. the united states, the biden administration, is saying that this is all about the endo pacific, it is not directed at france. so why is your government angry? >> well, this is the point: we are also very much involved in the indo pacific. france, of course, is a european country, but we have territories, we have populations, we have armed forces, both in the indo ocean and the pacific ocean. and we have presented or introduced already three years ago our own strategy with a security and military component, but also with other elements. and we just updated this strategy. another european union as such is presenting its own strategy. so we are very active. we also have the goal of a rule-based alter and free circulation and democratic values in this region. and so we are, um, obviously disappointed by what happened and how it happened. >> woodruff: i mentioned the deal that france has had with australia about selling them french-built submar