stay tuned for the second half i'll be talking about pirates to clear up my own philips mr economy dot com. that's to be. with. her. welcome back to the kaiser report imax guys are time now to turn to jeremiah philips misfit economy dot com carol welcome to the kaiser report thank you for having me i care tell us about pirates what do pirates cherice computer hackers and inner city gangs have in common with silicon valley well just the human instinct of innovating actually which is the formal world and innovation hubs across the world and very well resourced research labs. i don't have a monopoly on the pirates have a bad rap because they are really innovators a lot of ways hackers are similar you know steve jobs started as a hacker and so many of the technology today was started by hackers and you know what used to call piracy let's talk about piracy in particular what innovations have we seen emerge from piracy on the high seas well if you talk about if we think about eight hundred century pirates those that were very active during you know the so-called golden age of piracy which if