but what this community action program did in philipsburg and around the country, they treat those federal dollars as their own. they pay their executives whatever they blame well please. i know that as a matter of fact, they pay poverty wages to the employees, but they are employees of private community action programs. they pay them such a low wage, but just above the poverty line themselves, for they cannot get medicaid and food stamps. they are outrageous in terms of benefits. they work them like dogs. guest: let's -- host: let's get a response. guest: there's a lot of graft in these programs. zooming out, nobody in the country objects to educating children. when you zoom out, no one objects to the efficient and just use of the government and some kind of staff or executive office to carry that out. the devil is in the details. of course that is the case. a lot of what you have seen from those cuts in usaid have highlighted from people how absurd the uses of their taxpayer dollars are. one example from last week was rory stewart, the former u politician who is now a professor at yale,

flemington dropped below the federal poverty line, the community action program headquartered in philipsburg, new jersey rushed into flemington and filled it with programs, including head start and early head start. i am not debating the lives of children. that is cruel. i'm not debating who should get it, how long you should be here. what this community action program does and what they do around the country, they treat those federal dollars as their own. they pay their executives whenever they please and i know as a matter of fact they pay poverty wages to employees that are not federal employees. they were employees of these private community action programs and they pay them such a low wage. just above the poverty line for they cannot get medicaid or food stamps, they are outrageous in terms of benefits. host: let's get a response from our guest. guest: i totally agree there is lot of graft in these programs. nobody in the country objects to educating children. nobody in the country objects to the efficient and just use of the government and some kind of staff or executive office to carr

flemington dropped below the federal poverty line, the community action program headquartered in philipsburgnew jersey rushed into flemington and filled it with programs, including head start and early head start. i am not debating the lives of children. that is cruel. i'm not debating who should get it, how long you should be here. what this community action program does and what they do around the country, they treat those federal dollars as their own. they pay their executives whenever they please and i know as a matter of fact they pay poverty wages to employees that are not federal employees. they were employees of these private community action programs and they pay them such a low wage. just above the poverty line for they cannot get medicaid or food stamps, they are outrageous in terms of benefits. host: let's get a response from our guest. guest: i totally agree there is lot of graft in these programs. nobody in the country objects to educating children. nobody in the country objects to the efficient and just use of the government and some kind of staff or executive office to carry