phillip baker and his partners were essentially making it up. they were like, ah, ah, the 2nd thing and in some way the more damaging issue is that as they sought to recruit additional investors, new investors, which were essential because they needed to paper over the lots of money that they'd already lost. they were in their prospectuses and the documents they provided to investors to show investors how well they've been doing their relying there to when they were saying, instead of having lost 50 percent of their assets in the 1st year they were saying, look at us, we've got a long track record of very impressive returns with the they were lying, not only about the returns, but they were lying about the longevity of the fun. so they were saying they had, i believe, a 14 year track record just wasn't true that they had not been trading for 14 years . trading results were falsely reported. and hence that was a fraud. you cannot do that one, penny not reported properly is wrong. the victims were everyone who invested with them, investors who los

if you're interesting, when you see your name, phillip james baker versus the united states of america. it's overwhelming. then you face the assistant us attorney as he's looking you in the eye. and when you go to that circumstance, there are no words that really can describe the depths of the loneliness you feel at that moment. the ultimately completed a plea deal with the united states government i was sent to 20 years for waterfront still big as a criminal. is he the type of financial mastermind that cause the financial crisis? absolutely not. this is a guy who is, was not very sophisticated about his crime was not very malicious about his crime. and but he admitted that he committed a crime. this is a classic example of where the justice department takes a shortcut. they want to generate a blister for themselves as going after financial groups, and everyone wants them to do that. any time and time again, the people that they're going after are these little min, they're not going after the big fish are not going after the bankers for the most part. they're certainly not going after

christian baker, jack phillips recently discussed the supreme court case over his refusal to bake a same-sex wedding cake. here's a portion of that conversation. >> the government gives us the option to go to court to defend these things as well in our government we have a constitution that her government is supposed to protect our rights and among them are the rights to free exercise religion. this is what that was it was a right because they did not want to create that message of the wedding cake and also a right to freely express my pain so the government is supposed to protect her right and when they weren't there is also our constitution where we are able to rule the court system like this and fight for these reasons. >> i think in the book you said your legal defense was the quote unquote rights of conscience of sense can you explain what that means? >> rights of conscience are asking me too create a message that is part of the speech but they're asking to make me create a message and to make the wedding cake is an iconic symbol is a message in itself, if you were to get a hotel and lo