in the testimony of a very, very important collection of essays by a survivor of the name of phillip creedman, a very pioneering scholar in his field who was from this region and heard about her during the war through other survivors. and he wrote about this, i think it was as early as the '50s. and i was shocked by this, and he, you know, identified her and even quoted some survivors who had, were astounded by her violence. and that got me, you know, on the lead. that was the first indication that here's someone who's an outstanding figure. let me test out, you know, whether or not this is true. let me try to corroborate this particular testimony with other materials. and then i got into the primary german documentation and found, in fact, her marriage application and verified who she was and what her own biography was and that she was, in fact, sent there and she was a real person, and she was there with her daughter. we could see that in the german document station. and then continued to collect more testimony about her. and it was related to primary sources in this case. other cases in my