joining us now, phillip mudd and joining us on the phone from belgium, vlierden. what's your latest reporting on the belgian cell and possible connection to isis? >> reporter: look i think what we're going to see over time is an explosion of these cells. pick up hard drives pick up cell phones. i'm guessing that it will show a connection with people in isis who are directly responsible not for trying to take territory in iraq and syria, but for turning attention solely to try and train people who come back to europe or potentially north america. my guess is that in the forensic investigation here that is picking up the data from cell phones and laptops and in the interrogations of these people over the coming days. we will find at least direct connectivity to trainers in isis who are responsible for training foreigners to go back home. >> guy, i understand your sources are telling you that another aspiration of this group was isis-style beheadings. that they wanted to post on the internet. is that right? >> that's right. that's one of the things brought out today.

our cnn counterterrorism analyst phillip mudd retired lieutenant colonel jim reese.rorists fleeing the scene of that magazine. jim, what can you tell our viewers? >> to be clear, wolf this is what u.s. officials are doing as they try to learn more about the plot. one of the first things you notice, they're dressed in till military style uniforms and they have extra magazines here. they move together and fire as if they are trained fighters. >> right. what we're going to see here this one is covering the second subject here. this subject will move on to the sidewalk behind a truck and start going down the sidewalk and shoot a police officer, who is further down the sidewalk. >> so we'll play it here. cover fire he moves behind the truck. this is an eyewitness just recording this on their phone. they'll come around the side. again, moving together. i'm going to play that again, just so you can see them again. but as they move with their weapons, as well jim reese, who you'll speak to they carry their weapons in such a way with a level of confident and confidence that i

to suffer this incident is these men are dead and dead terrorists as counterterrorism official phillip mudd who i had the pleasure to work with, dead terrorists are no good to anyone. by losing them we have lost valuable intelligence. >> these brothers were on a no-fly list and flagged by french intelligence. but how were they able to fly under the radar for some time? >> that is the big question and that is the question that has perplexed french officials and other counterterrorism officials. apparently these two brothers were living basically normal likes of. one was a pizza delivery man the other one was working. when these muslim men marry women, wives girlfriends they are seen as average everyday citizens or everyday members of society pep but what's so troubling is because they have french passports they were able to bypass security and that to me is really the most disturbing point. because these are not on the one hand they had relatively normal lives but on the other hand they were also in prison on several -- they had criminal offenses also drug ons they were tied with the other i

phillip mudd and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes.ould law enforcement be approach thing search for this suspected female terrorist? >> they have to approach it wolf that she may have other friends and accomplices that might not be as small a cell as what was indicated so far. she also may have access to a great deal of weapons explosives, rocket-propelled grenade. we don't know that everything they had in their possession was used in the attacks. there's probably more out there that she would have access to. >> phil mudd do you believe these raids were simultaneous at the factory, as well as the kosher market were they simultaneous for a reason? >> yeah i think they were. we know obviously the two cells are connected. you've got to make a guess that both are potentially communicating with one another or even watching tv and realizing a raid is going on. if you don't do them simultaneously and one of the others learns that the other cell has gone down i think the risk to the hostages goes up. that person is going to say, the jig is up

and counterterrorism official phillip mudd. general, when you see the video of these attackers, i'm wondering what you look at. much comment is the way they were holding their rifles and the calm they picked up a sneaker that had fallen out of the vehicle as they were making the escape. >> it is certainly a well-trained group. whether it be two or three. all of the things that contributed to the attack were rehearsed, obviously, they had some type of military training, anderson. they were very good at weapons control. they were able to fire well and hit what they were aiming at. they had done a reconnaissance. they had the intelligence, the speak of the operation is very impressive. it's not hard to do. you're talking about three people. there were probably more in support, whether there was a videographer somewhere filming this or support infrastructure, but still, i mean, from a military perspective, that's less than a squad. you can teach a lot of people to do the kinds of things they did. the intelligence piece is the most

phillip mudd is joining us. what is your response to what evan just reported, phil?me wolf in one fundamental way, the question we had last night, was connectivity did they do it independently or were they connected to a network? if they're connected to a broader network, is that network using the same training the same travel routes for example, the same ways of masking travel to send people elsewhere in europe and the united states. if i'm sitting in the chair tonight and i realize we're not just talking about paris but talking about yemen, i want every bit of data to overlay it what i have here in the united states. >> i want to bring in tom fuentes, our law enforcement an list. you've been studying these images. these are the two suspected terrorists the getaway vehicle. we see a police car here. walk us through what you see here. >> at this point in this photo they've exititted off murdering all the people inside the building. they see a police car up the street and what you see in the next photo after this which i don't want to go to yet, is these two shooters

and phillip mudd. the software or malware that the nsa used how does that work?hare that with the "new york times" either. this had to have been a very very high priority for them. basically, we have been in intense negotiations and disputed over the intelligence with regard to their nuclear programs for well over a decade. it wouldn't surprise me if they had heavy monitoring. i certainly hope the nsa was doing this and more. >> i assume this technology really helped the united states in terms gathering intelligence on north korea, right? >> this is the bread and butter of intelligence. what we could call plans and intents. you look at the programs that the u.s. is interested in nuclear, there's a significant ballistic missile program in north korea. there's three things you want to know about. number one, what's going on today? number two, can i introduce software? remember years ago when we disrupted i think it was the u.s. in israel the nuclear program. can we disrupt what's going on today? in the event of conflict can we shut down the programs? this is critic

former cia and fbi counterterrorism official phillip mudd. the fact that cherif kouachi, one of the brothers, made contact with the al qaeda recruiter two years after being released from prison, it points to the dangers of not keeping track of these guys once they are released. >> yeah. you've got to think, though, about how long we've been looking at this case, and the number of cases you're weighing this against. i think this highlights a couple of things, anderson, about the complexity of the lengthy cases. the first is, these guys, we've been at this war for 15 years. the adversaries learned a lot about how the western security services operate in those 15 years. i saw operatives in al qaeda studying court transcripts from the west to learn how law enforcement had gotten up on some of the people we arrested. they learned a lot about us, we learned a lot about them. they're very careful about evade law enforcement. as they learned about law enforcement, they're very careful in some cases about crossing the line. so collecting intelligence

we want to bring in french terrorism expert author of zakawi and fbi counterterrorism official phillip mudd. let me start with you if i can. i know you have sources, there's been some reports perhaps one of the brothers traveled to syria. we know a french official told u.s. officials the elder brother is believed to have traveled to yemen or received some training. what are you hearing from your sources? >> from my sources, i hear that cherif kouachi -- >> the younger. >> the younger brother, traveling since 2014 to syria. >> that recently? 2014. >> 2014. in france. >> we have not been able to confirm this based on your sources, but do we know what groups he was working with or what he was doing? >> they're currently investigating the specific issue traveling. >> how closely can french officials monitor the international movements of people from here? in the united states there's the benefit anybody leaving from an airport, it's a lot easier to track. here the borders you can go to other countries in europe. >> essentially, through intelligence. they're collecting information. social networ

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let's bring in phillip mudd and james reese and paul crookshank who has been working sources bringingw worried are law enforcement authorities, intelligence sources, national security owe fishes in belgium right now? >> they are worried, wolf. they are worried that there are still members of this cell at large who may put some kind of attack into operation to avenge the two fighters who were killed in that raid on that building in verviers. there's a lot of concern in belgium. but there's also concern right across europe. the belgian sources i'm speaking to say that this group in belgium, this network links to isis had connections to other groups of young men who have come back from syria and are in other european countries. the indications that european intelligence agencies have received is that isis is now pivoting towards launching attacks in europe against the countries participating in the air strikes against it in syria and iraq. there are several european countries involved in the air strikes in iraq. the united kingdom, france denmark, holland, belgium are some of the countri

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joining us paul philip mudd and bob and mike rogers and our global affairs analyst, lieutenant colonel james reese. philliping saying get the americans out? >> i agree. look at the situation. we had firing on an embassy vehicle. if you are sitting in a chair and looking at up sides, maybe the potential for intelligence collection. the government is not there. versus the down side you have to sit there and say, the risk is too high to keep those guys there i. there. >> at what point do officials burn classified documents, destroy hard drives getting rid of stuff that if al qaeda or other terror groups got their hands on would be terrible. >> that's probably started to happen that protocol. the one thing we have to keep in mind is we can't manage this from washington. the guy on the ground has to be the person with the command authority to make that call. everyone back here has to support that ground force commander. it's very easy to get caught up in the emotion and try to push that guy on the ground. >> there's a u.s. ambassador there. the u.s. ambassador mr. chairman they have to decide what to do. right?

phillip is joining us and philip mudd and peter bergen and retired colonel james reese.wmakerwlaki who was killed in a u.s. drone strike. do you think these terror fighters the threat they pose coming from yemen and elsewhere? >> sort of wolf but i think there are huge limitations. where we are with yemen today is not dissimilar from what i witnessed at the cia, tremendous money, training intelligence for example, about individuals but drone strikes that are based on intelligence there is diplomatic pressure during arab spring to get yemen to evolve. if you look at the problems that we've had in northern nigeria, somalia, afghanistan, now yemen, they are divided by tremendous unrest and civil war and jihadists can operate. we can provide all we want and come up with strategies but when you're dealing with countries by civil war, there's only so much you can do. >> and yemen is almost a failed state, right, colonel reese? is it the new afghanistan? >> wolf it is. you have afghanistan, yemen, libya that is out there right now, phil mentioned somalia. those are all failed s