thelma pannell-dantzler, the mother -- mother of phillip pannell. cha pannell, the sister of phillip. also with us, dani goffstein, codirector and former teaneck resident. natacha, talk about that tragic, traumatic day. i hate to bring it up 32 years later when your brother was killed. and what unfolded after that for your family, for the community, as you sought justice and what it means for this documentary series to come out 32 years later as the black lives movement continues the fight against police brutality and killing, of racism. >> first off, i would like to thank democracy now! for having both my mom and i on. that night was before i learned my brother was shot and killed by teaneck police officer gary spath, i was really excited and happy. i was expecting my brother to come home. i had the house party take, which is a movie he wanted to see. i was really happy. when i heard a bunch of footsteps running up the stairway, i ran to the doorr excited and thought i was going to swing the door open and see my brother. in fact, i saw of bunch of p

this was a tragedy forthe pannell family. but phillipgun who shouldn't had a gun. mike: it presented a dilemma formany residents in the town. they didn't want to seea 16 year old boy shot. but on the other hand,it was difficult for some of them to embracephillip as a victim. w: we feel that this shooting was not a raciallymotivated incident any person brandishing a gun, asks for trouble. jackie: there waspart of me that felt it happened because ofhim and i was so upset that here was this kid with a gun. walter: even if phillippossessed a firearm, you can't shoot a firearmwith your back to the officers. and so i think when policesay he was a threat, that's become thestandard response. as an excuse for theirreckless behavior. i think white peoplehave a tendency to ignore these incidentsof police violence because it's easyto cast things out and say the officerwasn't racist. we're not a racist community. and so the questionbecomes, when will a black life matterto white people in this country thatthey are as outraged as we are when one of our

already out of theirhostler and was, like,everybody get against the wall, reporter: one of thekids, phillip pannell across the street. when pannell allegedlyjumped these bushes. why did phil run? he- he wasscared, obvious. jennifer: two cops arebehind him. they had their pistols out.they didn't say halt, or nothing. they just was running and theguy went to jump over the fence and they shot himin his left leg. he was begging, "don't shoot,don't shoot." the young man who was shotwas begging? yes, "don't shoot."he was already shot, already. reporter: did he have hishands up? like, you just... witness: he had his hands upand they said, he said he was, he had his back to themand they shot him in his back. reporter: the victimwas begging for his life and the policeofficer shot him anyway? yes, yes.yes. jennifer: and that'swhen the second cop shot him in the back andhe fell to the ground. bernie: the storywas coming at you, kind of like what athrough a firehose. that's kind of wheni started to have those thoughts starting toflow, you know. why would they shoot him? he was running. did he get shotbecause h

firstly, the story of the killing of a black teen, phillip pannell, by a white police officer in 1990neck, which was a place where they believed that they had already achieved racial harmony. in a sense, it's kind of a cautionary tale because whenever we think we've gotten it right and we're all on the same footing and there's equality across the board, that's really when we need to consider that maybe we've missed something, and that there might be lingering discord there and continuing always to be working towards social justice. so that's why i think it's important that we're telling the story now. >> yeah, and, michelle, there was a quote there, a member of the naacp said, it was very surreal to stand in this really idyllic suburban community and watch this happen and at that moment i realized this is a result of not just this shooting incident, but a result. how does it still affect teaneck? i think it's a cautionary tale for a lot of places. >> yes, well, as we know this occurred in 1990. in so many ways, it was -- it's -- it was the beginning of the modern day black lives matte

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a lot of phillips pannell's friends before he died, were interviewed for this.d the doors, and they came out with them guns, over the doors. and i was get on the wall -- and he was like, yeah, everybody got against the wall. i'm like, hold on a minute! like, what's going on? why you got your guns out? i'm here at the wall. phil is probably, maybe about ten feet from me, and in the middle, probably in the middle, and when i looked at him, i already knew what was going on at that point. he took off one. ♪ ♪ ♪ police started running as soon as he started running. >> once one person started running, everybody started running. i ran in the different direction than phill. >> we took the opportunity to go into the other direction. >> it was a reaction. i think it was a mixture of adrenaline, panic, you know, not knowing what was happening. it was a kind of they rolled up on us suddenly with their guns. >> we are thinking, phil ran. he got away. and we'll see him soon, and will laugh about it. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> their memories, they sound so vivid. they seem like they can still r